Maybe Vinny Cerrato isn't the Anti-Christ

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Well said, for once we agree.

I just knew we'd find common ground somewhere.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

Every player that has left this team says the same thing. It can not be dismissed as a player just dogging the team and its meaningless. There begins to be truth behind it when multiple players all say the same thing.

Every player? I guess it wasn't a big enough problem for guys like Stoutmire and Smoot who've come back. And I never heard Bowen, Royal, or Dockery say bad things. And Ramsey took it like a man and said he's not blaming anyone, just trying to move on. And LaVar, Darnerien, and Gardner can all just shut up because no team wants any of them anyway.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I think part of what makes for a "top tier" tight end isn't necessarily measured in numbers the way it is for wideouts. They're a more subtle aspect of what makes up a great offense. The threat they pose as an outlet receiver, the blocking they're required to do, it's difficult to pinpoint ...

I just don't think Cooley's there yet. He could be close, though.

Where would you rank him?

Top 10? Top 15?

Personally I'd find it very hard to put him outside of the top 10.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Where would you rank him?

Top 10? Top 15?

Personally I'd find it very hard to put him outside of the top 10.

Well, he's certainly not in the bottom half of the league. He could be in the top ten, but on my personal, completely arbitrary scale, he's probably at the top of the "second tier".

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Gibbs is always the first one to stick his neck out and say blame me.

Kind of funny though, almost no one ever does?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

Kind of funny though, almost no one ever does?

Did you sleep through last season?

I think we had a pretty long and heated thread titled 'Gibbs must go' at some point last year.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Did you sleep through last season?

I think we had a pretty long and heated thread titled 'Gibbs must go' at some point last year.

Yea thats me Rumple stiltzSKIN.

Very few are willing to admit Gibbs is off the wall as far as running a team, he knows nothing of personel, including his own. As I said early on in Gibbs second tenure, he has been trying to pound a square peg threw a round hole to try and prove he can run an organization with total control, he is a fish out of water, Bobby Beathard made sure Gibbs was constantly stocked with some of the best talent in the NFL, Gibbs had the luxury of running the ball down any defense's throat any time he wanted to with the hogs that BB assembled. Well Gibbs no longer has the best line in football as he enjoyed for 10 years under BB, and now he is finding it much more dificult to coach without that advantage.

[MTK]

I think it's a bit of a stretch to say he knows nothing about personnel. It's not like this roster is totally devoid of talent.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

If there's anything negative I can say about the current coaching staff, I think they place FAR too much emphasis on having players with experience.

- Williams is ALWAYS trying to find guys that have played in his system.
- Williams AND Gibbs are always wanting people who are VETS.
- Williams benches his rookies, no matter how they're drafting.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think it's a bit of a stretch to say he knows nothing about personnel. It's not like this roster is totally devoid of talent.

Thats fair, but it could be a whole lot better for a lot less money that is for sure.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

If there's anything negative I can say about the current coaching staff, I think they place FAR too much emphasis on having players with experience.

- Williams is ALWAYS trying to find guys that have played in his system.
- Williams AND Gibbs are always wanting people who are VETS.
- Williams benches his rookies, no matter how they're drafting.

Outstanding point MC, and your dead on with that statement, it's as if they don't want to spend the time preparing inexperienced players and short cut that process with vets who are not as talented but more knowledegable.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

- JC does look like he's going to do well but we did give up a good deal to get him
- CP was a great fit for our offense but we are wasting his talent by not surrounding him with a passing game (hopefully next year will be better) PLUS we did give up a pro-bowler and the best corner in the NFL in Champ
- Betts is great if we trade him but I don't think he will ever be able to carry the entire load under our offense...don't forget the fumbling issues
- Cartwright was probably the only under the radar guy that was picked up
- Cooley is great but as someone pointed out we gave up a LOT for him and they might let him leave to FA next year as well
- Santana Moss...let's not forget that our FO screwed up for a stretch there when we got Coles and he was a bust (this was the period when we were known as the jetskins and were a laughingstock)
- ARE is a great personality and player but has yet to prove that he was worth the money.

Almost all of your complaints address how much we paid players or how much we traded to get them. NONE of those arguments weigh in favor of firing Vinny.

I think if people wrote down a list of Vinny's job duties, and wrote down another list of what their gripes with the team are, they would find that the two lists have relatively little in common.

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Almost all of your complaints address how much we paid players or how much we traded to get them. NONE of those arguments weigh in favor of firing Vinny.

I think if people wrote down a list of Vinny's job duties, and wrote down another list of what their gripes with the team are, they would find that the two lists have relatively little in common.

Well if the general manager and front office isn't in some way connected to how much we pay or trade away for players then who is? As i understand it Dan Snyder writes the checks, Gibbs/Coaching stafff determines who they want and ranks their needs, Cerrato/FO contacts player's agents, negotiates deals with them and makes decisions on whether a player or deal can go thru (basically doing the paperwork and crunching the numbers). Am I wrong (cuz I could be), I just always thought thats how it worked?

General manager - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's a little silly but thats the only link i could find about the duties of a general manager (if u scroll down to the bottom about sports teams its somewhat relevant). Now these exact duties may or may not be under Vinny's jurisdiction but i could find nothing else. It seems as if he is the man responsible for such things

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Vinny is not the general manager and does not make GM-type decisions, although Vinny does tend to be blamed for any decisions made by the Redskins front office that GMs are expected to make.

[TenandSix:Unacceptable]

I think the talent acquisition on the team has been suspect durring the VC period. I honestly think the Redskins would be in better position if I was the dir ector of personel. A monkey could get the same success as Vinny has gotten. And although I do agree that it is Snyder and now Gibbs who tend to overpay, wouldn´t a good personel guy say, "don´t overpay such and such player, because of such and such reason", or really promote a more effective overall strategy. If Vinny doesn't know that our player acquisition system is flawed, then his judgement is flawed. If he does know and he doesn't step up to the plate and tell the Boss how to do it better, once again it seems to me that he is blameworthy.