Don Imus

[saden1]

Originally Posted by angryssg

So when Carlos Mencia did the Racial Olympics he wasn't pointing out specific Individuals? Then who was competing?

Are you talking about this? If not, you need to provide a link.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by saden1

Are you talking about this? If not, you need to provide a link.

Yes, that was it. I guess now your argument will be that those guys volunteered to be on that show. And my rebuttle will be that the Rutgers team volunteered to play for that team, but not to be badgered by Imus so I can see your point. But that is neither here nor there. I already stated that the venue that Imus made those comments in is wrong and the circumstances were wrong. I am merely tring to point out that there is a double standard on crossing the line. If a white commedian were to get up on stage and start making jokes about another ethnicity, the majority of people would boo him off the stage, and he would be the topic of racial discussion for a month. But when roles are reversed, everybody laughs, even the people getting clowned on. Why are things that way?

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Yes, that was it. I guess now your argument will be that those guys volunteered to be on that show. And my rebuttle will be that the Rutgers team volunteered to play for that team, but not to be badgered by Imus so I can see your point. But that is neither here nor there. I already stated that the venue that Imus made those comments in is wrong and the circumstances were wrong. I am merely tring to point out that there is a double standard on crossing the line. If a white commedian were to get up on stage and start making jokes about another ethnicity, the majority of people would boo him off the stage, and he would be the topic of racial discussion for a month. But when roles are reversed, everybody laughs, even the people getting clowned on. Why are things that way?

Because once upon a time that same white man might have lynched a black man, and his white buddies would have thought that is funny. Because of years of injustice there is a sort of system in this world in which it is ok for blacks to insult whites. I mean I don't agree with it or advocate either side, it is what it is. Personally I think either people should be able to say things that are stereotypical for jokes, or both nobody should.

I also think alot of it arises from confusion. I doubt Imus or our good friend Krammer interacted with any black people at all. I mean Richards freaking called blacks "afro-americans", who the hell says that anymore?

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Because once upon a time that same white man might have lynched a black man, and his white buddies would have thought that is funny. Because of years of injustice there is a sort of system in this world in which it is ok for blacks to insult whites. I mean I don't agree with it or advocate either side, it is what it is. Personally I think either people should be able to say things that are stereotypical for jokes, or both nobody should.

I also think alot of it arises from confusion. I doubt Imus or our good friend Krammer interacted with any black people at all. I mean Richards freaking called blacks "afro-americans", who the hell says that anymore?

My grandpa...and it makes me chuckle every time...he also immediately follows any comment involving a black person..."not that I'm a racist or anything"

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Because once upon a time that same white man might have lynched a black man, and his white buddies would have thought that is funny. Because of years of injustice there is a sort of system in this world in which it is ok for blacks to insult whites. I mean I don't agree with it or advocate either side, it is what it is. Personally I think either people should be able to say things that are stereotypical for jokes, or both nobody should.

I also think alot of it arises from confusion. I doubt Imus or our good friend Krammer interacted with any black people at all. I mean Richards freaking called blacks "afro-americans", who the hell says that anymore?

Good points, but have any of us here and now lynched anyone. I doubt it. Why is our generation still paying for the mistakes of those before us. You're right I don't feel that anyone should put another race name in front of American. We are all American's regardless of where our ancestors came from. Furthermore, we are all people. None of us is any better than the other. I like all comedy in the right forum, but the double standards have got to go for us to move foreward. Because as long as that barrier exists, so does racism. I am tired of it personnaly.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Yes, that was it. I guess now your argument will be that those guys volunteered to be on that show. And my rebuttle will be that the Rutgers team volunteered to play for that team, but not to be badgered by Imus so I can see your point.

I don't know what you're trying to say or the point you are trying to make dude. Also there is a huge difference between being badgered and being insulted. Having telemarketers call your home phone is being badgered. Having a well known media personality with a lot of listeners call you a "Nappy Head Ho" is not.

Originally Posted by angryssg

I am merely tring to point out that there is a double standard on crossing the line. If a white commedian were to get up on stage and start making jokes about another ethnicity, the majority of people would boo him off the stage, and he would be the topic of racial discussion for a month. But when roles are reversed, everybody laughs, even the people getting clowned on. Why are things that way?

Perhaps black people are too sensitive? Perhaps there aren't white comedians with some balls or capable of pulling it of right? Give me an example of the kind of black jokes you would like to see a white comedian do. Or the kind of jokes you'd like a black comedian stop doing.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by saden1

Perhaps black people are too sensitive? Perhaps there aren't white comedians with some balls or capable of pulling it of right? Give me an example of the kind of black jokes you would like to see a white comedian do. Or the kind of jokes you'd like a black comedian stop doing.

I dont know about specific jokes but black people in general really need to stop using "nigga" all the time. And I hang out with a bunch of black people especially when I am back at NOVA, and then our non-black friends also start saying it. It is fine but after a while it just makes you sounds stupid. It is almost insulting to use a word that slave owners once referred to black people as.

I just think it is a stupid term and just stupid to distinguish between nigger and nigga. Neither should be used.

And this isnt just me, many significant black leaders think the usage of the word is offensive and shouldnt be used.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by saden1

I don't know what you're trying to say or the point you are trying to make dude. Also there is a huge difference between being badgered and being insulted. Having telemarketers call your home phone is being badgered. Having a well known media personality with a lot of listeners call you a "Nappy Head Ho" is not.



Perhaps black people are too sensitive? Perhaps there aren't white comedians with some balls or capable of pulling it of right? Give me an example of the kind of black jokes you would like to see a white comedian do. Or the kind of jokes you'd like a black comedian stop doing.

If I knew the answers to those questions, then I would be a commedian. But the ones that I would like to see stopped are the frequent stereo types about whites that sound like this.
Cant Dance or got no rythm, are rich, never struggled through life because they're white, speak proplely, have small genitles, have no coordination, like mayonaise, dont get into trouble for no reason by cops, have no understanding of black culture, hate hot sauce, good at ice skating and hockey, cant jump, are slow, are racist, cold weather people, like to eat p****, afraid of people that aren't white, dont know how to F*** his girl right, will just stand there if something pops off. Look the list goes on and on. Either its ok for all commedians to do jokes like this or none.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Rob has an interesting point. I guess it's true that a lot of minority comedians make fun of other minority groups or white people and society doesn't bat an eye. But, even if it is hypocritical, it's hard to feel real bad for Imus. The guy is a millionaire who got to talk for living about sports, etc.

[saden1]

Check this out.

[KLHJ2]

I listened to it. In my opinion respect is a two way street. It is either ok for everyone to make jokes of that nature or no one at all. Me personally, I like and laugh with those commedians that we afore mentioned. But, those people that were laughing, should not be upset when all of a sudden they are the brunt of somebody else's joke.

[KLHJ2]

Being insulted is a form of being badgered. You didn't ask for it, and it bothers you that you got it.

[SmootSmack]

And now the Rutgers womens team is going to be on Oprah today. I mean, enough is enough. Stop giving notice to this. Why aren't the Lady Vols on Oprah? They are the champions after all.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And now the Rutgers womens team is going to be on Oprah today. I mean, enough is enough. Stop giving notice to this. Why aren't the Lady Vols on Oprah? They are the champions after all.

Media. Everyone has to get their interview now. I've got a feeling we're just seeing the beginning of this.

I'll bet a shiny nickel quite a few rappers are taking note of all this. I'll bet some will drop such lyrics from their songs. Some will talk about the incident.

[Schneed10]

Here's an excellent article on the whole Imus ordeal. It's long, but if you have the time it's a great read.

It talks about how do we know where the line is on offensive comments? Paraphrasing a bit, comics are constantly throwing out racially charged jokes. "But there are as many lines in the sand as there are people."

We continually define where the lines are by discussing it, debating it. And when the Rutgers women stood up at their press conference and expressed their reaction, they drew a line in the sand that we could all agree on.

The Imus Fallout: Who Can Say What? | TIME