Pacman suspended for entire 2007 season!

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James thrash is one of the players sitting on the board working with the Comish on these issues. I don't think any of the six had anything to do with this but just read he was on the board.
Thrash Named to Advisory Council

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I'll agree that marijuana laws are kinda dumb to me, but the fact is that they represent community standards. They can be repealed as soon as enough people apply pressure to their state legislatures to do so. Moreover, the penalties for possession of marijuana are really light and typically involve paying a relatively small fine. Almost no one does "time" for simple possession.

Dmek, with regard to the suppression of evidence, the law is pretty fair and evidence usually will not be suppressed without a damn good reason. In your hypo, the gun would be admissible in any jurisdiction with which I'm familiar.

I'm no legal scholar, but my limited experience with the law has led me to believe that it's getting a bad rap. Matty, you probably feel the same way about the insurance industry.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'll agree that marijuana laws are kinda dumb to me, but the fact is that they represent community standards. They can be repealed as soon as enough people apply pressure to their state legislatures to do so. Moreover, the penalties for possession of marijuana are really light and typically involve paying a relatively small fine. Almost no one does "time" for simple possession.

Dmek, with regard to the suppression of evidence, the law is pretty fair and evidence usually will not be suppressed without a damn good reason. In your hypo, the gun would be admissible in any jurisdiction with which I'm familiar.

I'm no legal scholar, but my limited experience with the law has led me to believe that it's getting a bad rap. Matty, you probably feel the same way about the insurance industry.

Actually, whether or not the penalites for pot possession are light depends on where you are. In my state, first offense of <15 grams of pot is automatic probation. After that, first "freebie" a simple possession charge is not less than 90 days, no more than 6 months in jail regardless if its pot, coke, whatever. If you throw in an intent to deliver, now we have a felony. So, whether or not pot is penalized depends on your jurisdicition, but there are people that do time for possession. Dmek, the gun would come into evidence.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I'll agree that marijuana laws are kinda dumb to me, but the fact is that they represent community standards. They can be repealed as soon as enough people apply pressure to their state legislatures to do so. Moreover, the penalties for possession of marijuana are really light and typically involve paying a relatively small fine. Almost no one does "time" for simple possession.

So whatever fits the criteria of "community standards" automatically makes common sense? Laws that don't make any sense are only sensical once the appropriate legislation is passed that repeal them?

"Community standards" at one time said people of color couldn't drink from the same water fountain. In some jurisdictions, 'community standards' say that you can't operate a business on Sunday.

I think upon further reflection, you might agree that community standards don't always equal common sense.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I think upon further reflection, you might agree that community standards don't always equal common sense.

Not always, but the vast majority of the time. I didn't intend to say that the legal system is perfect, just that it is unfairly labeled as broken.

[hesscl34]

Here we go..... sheesh..

[JDALY27]

If Sean Taylor got suspended for 1 year by the NFL would we be happy?

Pacman is a thug but hasn't been convicted of any crime, yet?

Suspension is a political one for the media. Total Bullshit and way too long!

What about Jamal Lewis? Why didn't the NFL suspend him?

Herb should be legal though.......that's not bullshit!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by JDALY27

What about Jamal Lewis? Why didn't the NFL suspend him?

They did, albeit only for 4 games. I think things just reached the tipping point, where there had been so many highly publicized arrests that something dramatic had to be done to send out a warning shot.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by JDALY27

If Sean Taylor got suspended for 1 year by the NFL would we be happy?

Pacman is a thug but hasn't been convicted of any crime, yet?

Suspension is a political one for the media. Total Bullshit and way too long!

What about Jamal Lewis? Why didn't the NFL suspend him?

Herb should be legal though.......that's not bullshit!

You make a valid point. As long as the NFL and Goodell apease the media waving Jones around like a mascot for everything that 's wrong with NFL, and never addressing the solution to the problem which lies in the rookie orientation seminars that should have been emphasized to every player coming out of college. Instead Goodell, met with Jones to show how fair and concerned he is about this lingering situation making up rules as he goes along. Hypocrisy has become the order of the day when it comes to young players and out of touch commissoners! (i.e., Stern, Goodell)

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

You make a valid point. As long as the NFL and Goodell apease the media waving Jones around like a mascot for everything that 's wrong with NFL, and never addressing the solution to the problem which lies in the rookie orientation seminars that should have been emphasized to every player coming out of college. Instead Goodell, met with Jones to show how fair and concerned he is about this lingering situation making up rules as he goes along. Hypocrisy has become the order of the day when it comes to young players and out of touch commissoners! (i.e., Stern, Goodell)

You honestly think that the rookie seminar is the magic bullet here? How naive.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

You honestly think that the rookie seminar is the magic bullet here? How naive.

My point is that with all of the off the field incidents that have happened throughout the years, the NFL should have had a strict policy from the jump, before anyone is allowed to
violate the rule and the automatic 1 year suspension should be in place if they are found guilty of a felon. The reason I say found guilty and not if they are arrested, is because most of these guys are being tried in the media instead of a court room. How can anyone be suspended for a year on accusations of being involved in a crime? The focus should be on preventative or deterent policies that are preached and enforced from the mountain top to the valley low.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

You make a valid point. As long as the NFL and Goodell apease the media waving Jones around like a mascot for everything that 's wrong with NFL, and never addressing the solution to the problem which lies in the rookie orientation seminars that should have been emphasized to every player coming out of college. Instead Goodell, met with Jones to show how fair and concerned he is about this lingering situation making up rules as he goes along. Hypocrisy has become the order of the day when it comes to young players and out of touch commissoners! (i.e., Stern, Goodell)

IMHO it is some of the players (e.g., Pacman) who are out of touch with reality. There was an ESPN article a year or two ago about how rookie seminar sessions about being tolerant of other ethnic groups, homosexuals, etc. were considered a joke. You can't honestly believe that a rookie seminar is going to make a guy like Pacman think, "Gee, no one ever told me this crime stuff is bad and I should stop hanging out with felons. By golly, I'll change my ways now." Sorry for the sarcasm, but I just can't see how the Commissioner is to blame for Pacman and other players being idiots.

These players are grown men and should be treated as though they know the difference between right and wrong. To shift the blame from the perpetrators of crime onto the Commissioner is just wrong. Adults are accountable for their actions and, as adults, players are accountable for what they do and do not do.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

IMHO it is some of the players (e.g., Pacman) who are out of touch with reality. There was an ESPN article a year or two ago about how rookie seminar sessions about being tolerant of other ethnic groups, homosexuals, etc. were considered a joke. You can't honestly believe that a rookie seminar is going to make a guy like Pacman think, "Gee, no one ever told me this crime stuff is bad and I should stop hanging out with felons. By golly, I'll change my ways now." Sorry for the sarcasm, but I just can't see how the Commissioner is to blame for Pacman and other players being idiots. These are grown men and should be treated as though they know the difference between right and wrong.

Agree! You mean it's not everybody else's fault? Hard to believe.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

Here we go..... sheesh..

Nothing like a woman to ruin a man's sad attempt to pontificate on top of his soap box.

[FRPLG]

What does a conviction have to do with anything? He makes the league look bad by getting in all this trouble. To rely on our justice system to create the proper scenario where he can be suspended is naive. He has behaved very badly and should be punished for it whether he gets off legally or not.

A good example: He had marijuana possession charges dropped because his mom magically claimed it was all hers. Even though the stuff was in his bedroom in his house. So because he didn't get convicted for this he shouldn't be punished by the league?

The legal system in this country is far too faulty and often far too permissive to use it as anything more than part of the equation.