Gun Restrictions and Your Rights

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Hog1

It's a job. like any other. They would prefer to have it easier than more difficult. Like anybody else. I can understand why they would prefer nobody packin', rather than everybody.

That would be nice if we could make their jobs easier. I don't think we should strive to keep them busy.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

That would be nice if we could make their jobs easier. I don't think we should strive to keep them busy.

I would prefer thay have it easier as well SGG. that won't happen until the justice system changes.
I doubt you'll find any cop that disagree's with that.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Hog1

It's a job. like any other. They would prefer to have it easier than more difficult. Like anybody else. I can understand why they would prefer nobody packin', rather than everybody.

No, it's not a job "like any other". I am not sure what your occupation is, but I guarrantee you that mine, those of my co-workers and the VAST majority of my friends and aquaintances does not require me to, on a regular basis, confront and/or restrain violent criminals. Further, generally speaking, body armor is NOT part of my normal business dress - even on business casual day.

[firstdown]

Well it looks like their agenda is to get more money coming to them from congerss and yes they want to get assult weapon bill back inforce. Did not have much time to read any more.

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[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well it looks like their agenda is to get more money coming to them from congerss and yes they want to get assult weapon bill back inforce. Did not have much time to read any more.

IACP - What's New - What's New

It's not as though the mission is to get money for the sake of getting money....the money is simply a means to an end. Their end (aka agenda) is to promote police and public safety.

[JoeRedskin]

Sorry, it looked like to me that the specific goals listed all had to do with getting more and better educated officers on the streets. I got no problem with that.

[Hog1]

Mostly, we are saddled with a justice system that has lost it's effectiveness, and not longer works. We do not need more laws. We need a system that works. Building more prisons is not working.......all that good

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Mostly, we are saddled with a justice system that has lost it's effectiveness, and not longer works. We do not need more laws. We need a system that works. Building more prisons is not working.......all that good

I think the system is fine, it's just the jokers running the system is what has really failed us. The law can be wielded in the hands of those who iterpret it.

The prisons are becoming a business more and more by the day. The reasons for building today vs. twenty or thirty years ago are different. Today's prisons are being built with a definite return on investment in mind.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think the system is fine, it's just the jokers running the system is what has really failed us. The law can be wielded in the hands of those who iterpret it.

The prisons are becoming a business more and more by the day. The reasons for building today vs. twenty or thirty years ago are different. Today's prisons are being built with a definite return on investment in mind.

I agree.
If you have ever seen the Sheriff in NM or maybe AZ. He runs a "prison camp" in tents, in the desert. IT"S AWESOME! Naturally he is constantly afoul of the ACLU, and every human rights org's. I would be willing to bet he has much better results than other prisons. he has a program I can get endorse.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I agree.
If you have ever seen the Sheriff in NM or maybe AZ. He runs a "prison camp" in tents, in the desert. IT"S AWESOME! Naturally he is constantly afoul of the ACLU, and every human rights org's. I would be willing to bet he has much better results than other prisons. he has a program I can get endorse.

I think I saw a show about that once... is that where he makes the inmates wear pink jumpsuits?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think I saw a show about that once... is that where he makes the inmates wear pink jumpsuits?

I think so.
But, no hot food. No caffeine drinks. no cold drinks, no AC. no luxories. At one point the Fed (under some BS law) said he had to give the prisoners access to some cable tv. he gave them "Disney". The guy is incredible. He made a statement in an Int a couple of years ago. "Our prison system has lost something. We do not want them coming back. We want them to remember THIS is a place that they do NOT want to visit ever again." It's not inhumane in any way. Just not plushy. It's the way our soldiers live when deployed
The biggest problem with this story is......it's the only one. he's considered a criminal by many. THAT'S a crime

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Right. That's what I'm thinking is that basically a doctor can deem whether you are safe or not to have a gun. Sure, that might seem like a small step, but wouldn't that have stopped what happened at VT?

[724Skinsfan]

The perfect person to have that kind of control is someone who has dedicated his/her life to healing others.

[offiss]

Criminals will alway's find a way to get a gun, it's just that simple, revoking the right to own guns will only hurt the innocent, and put society as a whole in much more danger to the whims of our goverment, the reason we have the right to own guns is the founding fathers realized that the greed of goverment knows no bounds, and the people of that goverment must be able to defend against a totalatering gov't. The more people that own guns the safer we really are, I believe some people should have to take a coarse on how to properly use one if they have never been around them, but we will never stop these whacko's but we can't limit thier ability to go on a rampage like this guy did. Safety through strength!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by offiss

Criminals will alway's find a way to get a gun, it's just that simple, revoking the right to own guns will only hurt the innocent, and put society as a whole in much more danger to the whims of our goverment, the reason we have the right to own guns is the founding fathers realized that the greed of goverment knows no bounds, and the people of that goverment must be able to defend against a totalatering gov't. The more people that own guns the safer we really are, I believe some people should have to take a coarse on how to properly use one if they have never been around them, but we will never stop these whacko's but we can't limit thier ability to go on a rampage like this guy did. Safety through strength!

Is a .22 really going to stop an Apache gunship and an Abrams tank? I think the idea was sound when passed, but it no longer achieves its intended goal. If you think we need to be armed to prevent against government oppression, then you should lobby to make it legal to buy anti-tank rockets, surface to air missiles, anti-ship missiles, etc.