JGR: Stewart Wrecks #11 Denny Hamlin

[Riggo44]

Originally Posted by jsarno

HAHAHA...so you were watching the southpark episodes instead of that little youtube section then? You must have, because it clearly shows Stewart getting closer and closer and closer and closer to hamlin, and instead of slowing down or passing...he rammed him. 110% Stewarts fault...anyone who says otherwise is clearly a Stewart fan...open and shut case here boys.

Yea I guess your right. Stewart should have slowed down so Kevin Harvick could get into the back of him. And after Stewart got wrecked and was out of the race. He should have gone to the pits and told the media that he was just protecting his teammate Denny,who for some reason lost the pace through the turn and couldn’t keep up. That would have made him a great teammate and a great driver as well right?:thumb:

[SmootSmack]

You guys see what Jsarno and I are doing here? We're arguing our cases like adults. Granted it's not the most in-depth argument but we're doing it like grown people.

There's no name calling. No bitching and crying. Pretty wild isn't it?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You guys see what Jsarno and I are doing here? We're arguing our cases like adults. Granted it's not the most in-depth argument but we're doing it like grown people.

There's no name calling. No bitching and crying. Pretty wild isn't it?

I guess you just need a bunch more members like me

Maybe I should be a mod. hmmmmm.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I guess you just need a bunch more members like me

Maybe I should be a mod. hmmmmm.

Hahahahaha

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Hahahahaha

HAHA, you laughed just a little too hard at that.

[SmootSmack]

You have to be willing to listen to the other side Jsarno, instead of constantly ridiculing it. It doesn't seem that you want to though

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You have to be willing to listen to the other side Jsarno, instead of constantly ridiculing it. It doesn't seem that you want to though

smoot, after listening to you.... and SEEING the race. What other side is there? I think? at least some of the people know something about racing that are posting on this thread, from what I've read.

You've been doing your NASCAR job for however long.....not to throw age into this,( because often that doesn't mean jack) but I've been involved with NASCAR/STOCK CAR RACING for alot longer than yourself, just due to I'm quite a bit older than yourself and I understand it well.

Do you really believe TS was NOT at fault?

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

smoot, after listening to you.... and SEEING the race. What other side is there? I think? at least some of the people know something about racing that are posting on this thread, from what I've read.

You've been doing your NASCAR job for however long.....not to throw age into this,( because often that doesn't mean jack) but I've been involved with NASCAR/STOCK CAR RACING for alot longer than yourself, just due to I'm quite a bit older than yourself and I understand it well.

Do you really believe TS was NOT at fault?

He already said in a reply to you on page 3:

Tony Stewart is most probably at fault for the crash on Sunday. I'll cede that. I still think Hamlin may have slowed up a bit but whatever.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

He already said in a reply to you on page 3:

That was a general response, not to me, but who cares. I didn't scroll back multipule pages......but there you have it....!

What other side needs to be seen? I don't get your point on viewing the other side. You just said TS was at FAULT!


Which is 100% correct. There is no other side.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

smoot, after listening to you.... and SEEING the race. What other side is there? I think? at least some of the people know something about racing that are posting on this thread, from what I've read.

You've been doing your NASCAR job for however long.....not to throw age into this,( because often that doesn't mean jack) but I've been involved with NASCAR/STOCK CAR RACING for alot longer than yourself, just due to I'm quite a bit older than yourself and I understand it well.

Do you really believe TS was NOT at fault?

I do know that there are plenty of people who know about racing posting on this thread. But I also know that there are plenty that don't really know. I also know that there are plenty of people that are basing their decisions on their preconceived notions of Tony Stewart. Or at least letting those notions severely influence their judgment.

I can't really argue the point of what kind of people Stewart and Hamlin truly are when the cameras aren't rolling or the type of teammates they are because all I can offer is my own personal encounters with the two. People want to believe that Stewart is a jerk then what can I do about it. I know what he is really like (so do his teammates) and I also know that he shouldn't have said what he said.

Now, as someone who understands NASCAR, then you certainly understand the points I've made several times-that just because a lead driver is bumped from behind doesn't mean that's a bad thing, that it's extremely dangerous to attempt a bump-draft on a corner, that Stewart has been one of the most vocal drivers against bump-drafting on the corner, that either Stewart sped up too fast too soon or Hamlin slowed down. And that both are great drivers with nothing to gain from wrecking. Someone obviously messed up. And it was probably Stewart. Especially when you consider that he knew Hamlin's car was running tight.

I suspect they were going to do a bump-draft on the upcoming straightaway. Though, in my opinion, that'd be way too early in the race.

But the point is that to the average fan it's natural to see a crash and say well the person who made the initial hit must be at fault. And that a hit is a bad thing. But, as you well know, that's not always the case.

I've definitely learned a lot about NASCAR and its intricacies, and I thought maybe I'd share some of that with those that don't have the same information and access to that information. But if people don't care to hear it, I'll gladly stop talking about it.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Someone obviously messed up. And it was probably Stewart. Especially when you consider that he knew Hamlin's car was running tight.

Good enough for me...this thread has gone VERY stale. The same things are being said over and over again, and we're not getting anywhere.
Enjoy guys.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I do know that there are plenty of people who know about racing posting on this thread. But I also know that there are plenty that don't really know. I also know that there are plenty of people that are basing their decisions on their preconceived notions of Tony Stewart. Or at least letting those notions severely influence their judgment.

I can't really argue the point of what kind of people Stewart and Hamlin truly are when the cameras aren't rolling or the type of teammates they are because all I can offer is my own personal encounters with the two. People want to believe that Stewart is a jerk then what can I do about it. I know what he is really like (so do his teammates) and I also know that he shouldn't have said what he said.

Now, as someone who understands NASCAR, then you certainly understand the points I've made several times-that just because a lead driver is bumped from behind doesn't mean that's a bad thing, that it's extremely dangerous to attempt a bump-draft on a corner, that Stewart has been one of the most vocal drivers against bump-drafting on the corner, that either Stewart sped up too fast too soon or Hamlin slowed down. And that both are great drivers with nothing to gain from wrecking. Someone obviously messed up. And it was probably Stewart. Especially when you consider that he knew Hamlin's car was running tight.

I suspect they were going to do a bump-draft on the upcoming straightaway. Though, in my opinion, that'd be way too early in the race.

But the point is that to the average fan it's natural to see a crash and say well the person who made the initial hit must be at fault. And that a hit is a bad thing. But, as you well know, that's not always the case.

I've definitely learned a lot about NASCAR and its intricacies, and I thought maybe I'd share some of that with those that don't have the same information and access to that information. But if people don't care to hear it, I'll gladly stop talking about it.

Hey man, I don't have a clue to TS or DH off the track (Proubally both do alot of good?). All I know is what I see and understand on the track.

I would not have made the last post if I would have caught this first.

Thanks for your insight and opinion, very helpfull to the masses, you make some very GOOD points!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

Hey man, I don't have a clue to TS or DH off the track (Proubally both do alot of good?). All I know is what I see and understand on the track.

I would not have made the last post if I would have caught this first.

Thanks for your insight and opinion, very helpfull to the masses, you make some very GOOD points!

Just trying to add to the discussion. I used to hate Stewart but over time I became a fan. I think they both bounce back this weekend in Chicago

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You have to be willing to listen to the other side Jsarno, instead of constantly ridiculing it. It doesn't seem that you want to though

Umm, it's either Stewarts fault, or it isn't. I've heard the side of the story of "it's not", but everyone that says it is a Stewart fan. Using the laws of the road, and physics, it's tony's fault. You even admitted it likely is his fault.
You can always look at an orange and say it's purple, but it's the common sense part that takes over and tells you..."No, that's orange". This is one of those cases. It's not hard to figure out at all, the whole world saw him ram Hamlin.
Keep in mind that Stewart was also in "the draft", so he will of course go faster than Hamlin due to less wind resistance.

Please, tell me this...why in the world did he not slow down, or pass him?

[Sammy Baugh Fan]