How Many Games Should Vick Be Suspended?

[Dogtag]

Based on how the media incorrectly convicted him of drug possession in the airport, and the only information I have is second hand via the media - I'm going to hold judgement until the Government and defense have a chance to present their arguments.

If he is guilty then throw the book at him. If the Govt can only come up with circumstantial evidence, I hope Mr. Vick starts sueing some folks who are very quick to write gossip without real evidence.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Dogtag

Based on how the media incorrectly convicted him of drug possession in the airport, and the only information I have is second hand via the media - I'm going to hold judgement until the Government and defense have a chance to present their arguments.

If he is guilty then throw the book at him. If the Govt can only come up with circumstantial evidence, I hope Mr. Vick starts sueing some folks who are very quick to write gossip without real evidence.

ESPN (sportscenter I believe) yesterday had a guy that wanted his identity kept under wraps, saying that Vick is a BIG player in the dog fighting games. He has loads of cash, and brings very big dogs. If Vick was innocent, that wouldn't have happened.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by jsarno

ESPN (sportscenter I believe) yesterday had a guy that wanted his identity kept under wraps, saying that Vick is a BIG player in the dog fighting games. He has loads of cash, and brings very big dogs. If Vick was innocent, that wouldn't have happened.

Yes, because there is no more reliable source than a shadowed anonymous figure on Sportscenter. :confused:

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Yes, because there is no more reliable source than a shadowed anonymous figure on Sportscenter. :confused:

No...but when 1 person says it you can dismiss it, when 2 people, ahhh, you can still dismiss it, but when all these people come out of the wood works, you need to listen.
Like I said, if he was innocent, that would not have happened.
We don't see people here saying Matty is fighting dogs...why? Cause he's not.
9 times out of 10 the rumors are on to something. When you have someone that says damning evidence like that, you shouldn't ignore it.

[Monkeydad]

If the league doesn't suspend him, the Falcons should just bench him. There has to be a few guys on the team who like dogs and can you imagine having to look at Vick in the huddle and wanting to protect him and take orders from someone you want to beat into the ground? He'd be horrible for team chemistry, he'd be a distraction and the fans are going to boo and say some nasty things every game. Plus, is he missed practices for legal meetings or court dates, he's worthless.

It would be better for the team to just let someone else take his place in the huddle.

I did vote for the season, because this isn't his first transgression. Either way, the league or the teams decision...he should not see the field this year.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Buster

It would be better for the team to just let someone else take his place in the huddle.

I've been saying that for years.

[Monksdown]

While i voted for 16 games, i have reservations.

First, the players union has only signed on to the new conduct policy based on the commissioner being limited to punishing players who have multiple charges pending. Vick doesn't. His charges are all related to this one problem.

The Vick boys sure have not made their momma proud. The things that were done to these animals are barbaric. The evolution of sadistic, murderous criminals normally stops by animal cruelty on the way to murder.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

I couldn't care less if Vick didn't know what was happening on his property. Being stupid is not a defense. The simple fact that this happened on his property (and I think there is enough evidence of that) makes him guilty in my mind.

I said eight games, but I am leaning towards the entire season.

[saden1]

An indictment is not a guilty verdict. Until he is found guilty he should be allowed to play. If he is found guilty, I would imagine playing would be the least of his worries.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Knowing what you know so far of the Vick case, and considering recent conduct decisions made on the likes of Pacman, Tank, and Chris Henry, if a decision had to be made today what would you do?

I think this is all getting out of control. I think the NFL should make it a rule that if you are convicted of a crime you are no longer allowed to play in the NFL, period.

[Darrell_Green_28]

Looking at his past record and seeing what the commish did Pacman, I voted season BUT If convicted I think he should be BANNED FOR LIFE!

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Darrell_Green_28

Looking at his past record and seeing what the commish did Pacman, I voted season BUT If convicted I think he should be BANNED FOR LIFE!

What past record? Please detail all of his previous legal transgressions.

I don't want to come off as a Vick apologist but the whole 'ban him for the season, the team should suspend/bench him' before anything has been heard in court is a bit over the top. The accusations in the indictment are heinous, I had dogs for years and if anyone did what he's accused of I want them hung by their balls and beaten with baseball bats. But for right now, that's all they are, accusations.

There is zero correlation to PacMan, Henry, Tank or anyone else. They all had repeated arrests, pleas and numerous troubles with the law. Vick was never arrested, charged or convicted in the Miami airport incident. He was a model citizen (as far as any of us knew) on and off the field before his middle finger incident late last year.

I wonder if some people are confusing Marcus Vick's previous trouble and are using guilt by name association to think he's been in the news negatively for a long time.

If he's guilty his suspension will be a vacation compared to his sentence. I still think he'll plead it out after the season, spend 4-8 months in jail and be suspended the 1st 8 games of '08.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

He was a model citizen (as far as any of us knew) on and off the field before his middle finger incident late last year.

Ron Mexico, was it? There's at least one young lady who would disagree with your statement.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

Ron Mexico, was it? There's at least one young lady who would disagree with your statement.

LOL, I forgot about Ron Mexico..

[Darrell_Green_28]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

What past record? Please detail all of his previous legal transgressions.

I don't want to come off as a Vick apologist but the whole 'ban him for the season, the team should suspend/bench him' before anything has been heard in court is a bit over the top. The accusations in the indictment are heinous, I had dogs for years and if anyone did what he's accused of I want them hung by their balls and beaten with baseball bats. But for right now, that's all they are, accusations.

There is zero correlation to PacMan, Henry, Tank or anyone else. They all had repeated arrests, pleas and numerous troubles with the law. Vick was never arrested, charged or convicted in the Miami airport incident. He was a model citizen (as far as any of us knew) on and off the field before his middle finger incident late last year.

I wonder if some people are confusing Marcus Vick's previous trouble and are using guilt by name association to think he's been in the news negatively for a long time.

If he's guilty his suspension will be a vacation compared to his sentence. I still think he'll plead it out after the season, spend 4-8 months in jail and be suspended the 1st 8 games of '08.

Ok maybe RECORD was the wrong word, look at his past actions always doing something wrong, hmmm waterbottle with a hide away spot , the female a while back, the way he treats fans, shows you what kind of person he is, hmm and HE owns the property, i dont care who is living on it he is responsible as is any landlord, if the residents get busted selling drugs the govt can seize the house. also what happened with McNair he wasnt driving but he owned the car.. but still got the dwi.
Just his actions tend to tell you what kind of person he is but then everyone will have their own opinion. So we will see what this judge says..