Who is "weakest" team with winning record?

[Redskin]

ravens for sure, just watch this game

[rypper11]

There are really only two complete teams in the league right now. EVERY other team has issues in some degree. Especially in the NFC.

Packers: can't run the ball consistently and thus have trouble closing out a game. Since they have Favre they still win the close ones.
Cowboys: Their secondary is not as strong as their pass defense ranking suggests. They get great pressure and confuse offenses but good QB's and OC can take advantage of them.
Giants: Not very consistent. Eli still rushes when he's knocked around and Burress makes highlight catches but is lost during long stretches of the game. Pass ranking of 22nd will hurt them against a team that can stop the run and eliminate big plays.
Lions: Kitna takes way too many hits and they still play completely different on grass.
Bucs: RB's are dropping left and right. Garcia is gutsy but they can't win as a one-dimensional team.
Panthers: Vinny? Carr? Simth has nobody to get him the ball and their D is showing their age.
Saints: Every time the ball is snapped could be a score. O is huge but where's the D?
Seahawks: can't run the ball effectively and don't pressure the QB.
Cards: They find a way to lose still. Warner is a good QB but immobile and injury prone. Could Rattay win a game?

What's my point? These are the division leaders. More than ever the NFL is about matchups. Despite being a "weak" team with a winning record, the Skins match up very well with some of these teams and horribly with others.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by rypper11

There are really only two complete teams in the league right now. EVERY other team has issues in some degree. Especially in the NFC.

Packers: can't run the ball consistently and thus have trouble closing out a game. Since they have Favre they still win the close ones.
Cowboys: Their secondary is not as strong as their pass defense ranking suggests. They get great pressure and confuse offenses but good QB's and OC can take advantage of them.
Giants: Not very consistent. Eli still rushes when he's knocked around and Burress makes highlight catches but is lost during long stretches of the game. Pass ranking of 22nd will hurt them against a team that can stop the run and eliminate big plays.
Lions: Kitna takes way too many hits and they still play completely different on grass.
Bucs: RB's are dropping left and right. Garcia is gutsy but they can't win as a one-dimensional team.
Panthers: Vinny? Carr? Simth has nobody to get him the ball and their D is showing their age.
Saints: Every time the ball is snapped could be a score. O is huge but where's the D?
Seahawks: can't run the ball effectively and don't pressure the QB.
Cards: They find a way to lose still. Warner is a good QB but immobile and injury prone. Could Rattay win a game?

What's my point? These are the division leaders. More than ever the NFL is about matchups. Despite being a "weak" team with a winning record, the Skins match up very well with some of these teams and horribly with others.

You wouldn't call Pittsburgh a complete team? Granted, they are pouring it on Baltimore right now, but they do everything well. Excellent running and passing attack, very good special teams, and maybe the best D in football. They're outstanding despite 2 losses.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

By the way, why does it say "Paulskinsfan is in danger of being benched" under my avatar? While I'll disagree with some of you, I usually have the stats or at least a logical argument to back it up, so what's up with that?

I know you're a longtime member and usually put a lot of thought into your posts. And, I don't recall reading any of your posts and thinking, "WTF." So, I don't know exactly why you are getting negative reputation points. My guess is that you are being lumped in with less-thoughtful people who are saying things like, "we are is the worests team in tha worlsds." It's unfair, but it seems like two camps are developing on this site (the Kool-Aid Crew and the Negative Nancies) and there is little room for people who are somewhere in between.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I know you're a longtime member and usually put a lot of thought into your posts. And, I don't recall reading any of your posts and thinking, "WTF." So, I don't know exactly why you are getting negative reputation points. My guess is that you are being lumped in with less-thoughtful people who are saying things like, "we are is the worests team in tha worlsds." It's unfair, but it seems like two camps are developing on this site (the Kool-Aid Crew and the Negative Nancies) and there is little room for people who are somewhere in between.

I feel you SSG. Sometimes I feel like I'm the middle of the battle of the titans here sometimes. I don't think there's anything wrong with being a kool-aid drinker or a negative ass as long as you can back up what you're saying. I mean if you think the Skins suck but you can actually back up your statement, I don't think there should be such a terrible backlash. Now these trollers who just roll up in here saying "Skins suck" and thats all. Or those people who say, "Game Over" When we're up by 7, those guys suck ad I can understand wanting to strangle them with piano wire. But can't we take it easier on those who dissent as long as they are dissenting rationally?

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by GMScud

You wouldn't call Pittsburgh a complete team? Granted, they are pouring it on Baltimore right now, but they do everything well. Excellent running and passing attack, very good special teams, and maybe the best D in football. They're outstanding despite 2 losses.

After last night's game, wow. I really was just breaking down the NFC and showing that despite our nonexistent downfield passing attack every team in our conference has an equally glaring weakness.
If the Steelers were in the NFC they would be in the SB but they are not as consistent as the Colts and Pats. I think that would make a lot folks on here pretty ticked.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I know you're a longtime member and usually put a lot of thought into your posts. And, I don't recall reading any of your posts and thinking, "WTF." So, I don't know exactly why you are getting negative reputation points. My guess is that you are being lumped in with less-thoughtful people who are saying things like, "we are is the worests team in tha worlsds." It's unfair, but it seems like two camps are developing on this site (the Kool-Aid Crew and the Negative Nancies) and there is little room for people who are somewhere in between.

Well, thanks for the empathy, Id throw points your way but I don't think I have them to spare since Im in danger of being benched.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I feel you SSG. Sometimes I feel like I'm the middle of the battle of the titans here sometimes. I don't think there's anything wrong with being a kool-aid drinker or a negative ass as long as you can back up what you're saying. I mean if you think the Skins suck but you can actually back up your statement, I don't think there should be such a terrible backlash. Now these trollers who just roll up in here saying "Skins suck" and thats all. Or those people who say, "Game Over" When we're up by 7, those guys suck ad I can understand wanting to strangle them with piano wire. But can't we take it easier on those who dissent as long as they are dissenting rationally?

I definitely think we need more middle-of-the-roaders. We need people who are fans and see the good, but who are willing to speak their minds about the bad as well. I think that it you have bad things to say about the team, coaches, or players, and you speak your piece in a thoughtful and articulate manner, you will generally be well-received. If, however, you are saying "ridicules" things (e.g., "we are the woretsr team in the hole world") and being negative, expect to be "ridickuled."

[MTK]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

True. But just because people are saying the Skins look like shit despite the win, doesn't mean they aren't fans either. I find it very very interesting that those of us who criticize this team are "on the bench" with reputation points, while most if not all of the Kool Aid gang are "players on the rise." Maybe cause those who have the points to give take care of their own? By the way, if someone is gonna give you negative rep points you should know who those individuals are. The whole rep points thing is pointless.

You can see what rep points and comments you've received in your user cp

[#56fanatic]

unfortunately I believe we are one of the top weaker teams with a winning record. of the teams mentioned, Cleveland can at least put some points on the board to keep them in games. We can't put more than 20 on the worst D in the league. Carolina is awful, i put them above us. That may be the only team I have above us as far as worst team with a winning record (4-4 i think - technically not a winning record, but not a losing one either)

[MTK]

After last night the Ravens would be my clear choice.

McNair really doesn't have much left, they should just start Boller.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by irish

Thats easy, its the Skins. The Skins have almost no offense and an average D.

It's funny, I read the post before I read the name of the poster and my immediate thought was "that must be irish or offiss."

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

True. But just because people are saying the Skins look like shit despite the win, doesn't mean they aren't fans either. I find it very very interesting that those of us who criticize this team are "on the bench" with reputation points, while most if not all of the Kool Aid gang are "players on the rise." Maybe cause those who have the points to give take care of their own? By the way, if someone is gonna give you negative rep points you should know who those individuals are. The whole rep points thing is pointless.

A pointless point system? That's ironic.

I for one only give negative rep if someone says something absolutely asinine or illogical. There's plenty of things I disagree with, but if they're well reasoned and coherent I've got no problem with it.

[sportscurmudgeon]

The Ravens are shot. Maybe 7 wins for the year; surely no more than 8.

[Cowell]

Yeah, after last night's game this isn't really even a question worth debating. The Ravens are the weakest team with a winning record.