If Not Joe, Then Who?

rypper11 · 12-02-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Problem is "long term approach" isn't really understood by most Redskins fans. I mean we've already got people saying we'll never win with Campbell and should unload him

Good point but long term is only acceptable in New England. The other 31 teams want win now and if we don't blow it up and start again. Ask the Lions how blowitup with a new coach every other year is working.

Paintrain · 12-02-2007, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MTRedskinsFan

Honestly, I think any of the potential coaches listed would be an improvement. I could list about a half dozen reasons why but it would only instigate a pissing match and I don't want that. Here are just a few ideas along other lines:

- Williams is my least favorite potential coach. I don't know exactly what it is but this guy is so strange. Listening to him talk on RedskinsTV I just can't see Williams establishing a strong rapport w/ any player. Maybe he is too much into himself, I'm not sure.

- I think Marty, if he wants to still coach, should be considered a contender. I know his playoff record sucks but when the playoffs seem like a miracle for us I'll take Marty any day of the week. He didn't enough time with us first time around IMO.

- Cowher will take the long term approach and build a team from the ground up, which is what it takes to really be a contender anyway, so he is probably the very best option all things consider. If he is coach next year I'll be excited again about football.

Damn, if we are tough on Gibbs 2.o, what would Marty 2.0 look like?

rypper11 · 12-02-2007, 10:23 PM

Cowher is the worst coach to ever win a SB (still makes him a hell of a lot better than Norv though). He's fun and intense and if wasn't for the Rooney family loyalty he never would have lasted long enough to win the SB. If you go out on top you are always believed to be genius (Bill Walsh). If you try to recreate magic elsewhere you are remembered as an idiot (George Seifert).
Please no Cowher. Saunders failed so miserably in San Diego I think he should stay coordinator. Grimm deserves the chance to build his own team not manage the one Gibbs has built (and no I don't think the whole team should be dumped and start over. We are too close for that now). Let Blache move into the more traditional DC role and call plays while GW takes over for Gibbs who would make a great president if that is what he wants.

htownskinfan · 12-02-2007, 10:23 PM

Cowher or Grimm,either one would be fine by me

SFREDSKIN · 12-02-2007, 10:26 PM

I would be up for replacing Bugel with Grimm and having him on the wings. Another reason to dislike Cowher is that he's a Marty disciple.

Paintrain · 12-02-2007, 10:34 PM

I'm going with 'other' but I don't have an option to name. None of the ones mentioned are appealing options to me.. Cowher isn't coming back next year.. GW just doesn't do it for me-he's as culpable as Gibbs if not more for the 5 this year and 15 overall 2nd half lost leads.. I still believe in Saunders as OC but not as a head coach.. Call me crazy, but he needs autonomy to call his gameplan..

Ok, flame retardant suit is on.. With our talent, give me Saunders calling the offense and a young aggressive defensive minded head coach (see Mike Tomlin) to set the tone for the team..

MTRedskinsFan · 12-02-2007, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'm going with 'other' but I don't have an option to name. None of the ones mentioned are appealing options to me.. Cowher isn't coming back next year.. GW just doesn't do it for me-he's as culpable as Gibbs if not more for the 5 this year and 15 overall 2nd half lost leads.. I still believe in Saunders as OC but not as a head coach.. Call me crazy, but he needs autonomy to call his gameplan..

Ok, flame retardant suit is on.. With our talent, give me Saunders calling the offense and a young aggressive defensive minded head coach (see Mike Tomlin) to set the tone for the team..

Good post. I've been looking for that "other guy" who resembles Tomlin but haven't come up w/ didley squat. For that matter, who knew Tomlin could do what he's done. Maybe there is another real strong character guy out there just waiting for the opportunity to shine.

SFREDSKIN · 12-02-2007, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MTRedskinsFan

Good post. I've been looking for that "other guy" who resembles Tomlin but haven't come up w/ didley squat. For that matter, who knew Tomlin could do what he's done. Maybe there is another real strong character guy out there just waiting for the opportunity to shine.

Garrett in Dallas, NE offensive co-ordinator, Buffalo OC, Butch Davis, Charlie Weiss.

SmootSmack · 12-02-2007, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'm going with 'other' but I don't have an option to name. None of the ones mentioned are appealing options to me.. Cowher isn't coming back next year.. GW just doesn't do it for me-he's as culpable as Gibbs if not more for the 5 this year and 15 overall 2nd half lost leads.. I still believe in Saunders as OC but not as a head coach.. Call me crazy, but he needs autonomy to call his gameplan..

Ok, flame retardant suit is on.. With our talent, give me Saunders calling the offense and a young aggressive defensive minded head coach (see Mike Tomlin) to set the tone for the team..

Well if we really want to take a chance, how about Titans' DC Jim Schwartz? He's young, yet he's coached for nearly a decade in the NFL. And he has local ties (played at Georgetown, coached at Maryland)

Dlyne8r · 12-02-2007, 11:00 PM

After this week, my heart says Gregg Williams or maybe Coach Joe will stay. History has me leaning toward Russ Grimm. But logic tells me Cowher is the guy.

BugelDisciple · 12-03-2007, 09:31 AM

after ten years of failure Snyder will finally organize the Skins like every other franchise, hire a GM and learn the hard way why this model is necessary for success...at our expense. I'd like to see a Russ Grimm/ Floyd Reese combo or maybe some GM candidate in the Patriots organization.

70Chip · 12-03-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BugelDisciple

after ten years of failure Snyder will finally organize the Skins like every other franchise, hire a GM and learn the hard way why this model is necessary for success...at our expense. I'd like to see a Russ Grimm/ Floyd Reese combo or maybe some GM candidate in the Patriots organization.

Dallas doesn't have a G.M and they're 11-1. Hell, they don't really even have a head coach. They've got an owner, a head cheerleader, and an offensive coordinator.

hail_2_da_skins · 12-03-2007, 11:16 AM

I hate to say it, but the Joe Gibbs part II needs to be over. I love Joe Gibbs to death, but he and his current organization is not getting the job done. The coaching staff is consistently making bad decisions and losing games that are there for the taking. I think Greg Williams will be the next head coach. I hope he gets a whole new staff. The Redskins need to overhaul the entire organization. The philosophy of buying high priced free agents and trading away draft picks need to cease. I would rather see the Skins take there lumps for a couple of years and build through the draft. Quick fixes has not worked.

BleedBurgundy · 12-03-2007, 11:19 AM

I say Cowher because I feel like his system is very similar to that of Gibbs. I think we are really close to being a good, playoff team. If we start over with a new coach, it could take YEARS to recover.

djdunick · 12-03-2007, 11:31 AM

After 2 timeouts yesterday I no longer feel guilty about wanting Joe Gibbs to go into permanent retirement. That is inexcusable.

Cowher would be the worst choice. He would have the same problem that I think keeps Gibbs from being successful. He's already been to the mountain. We need someone who is hungry who hasn't won it all.

Russ Grimm is the best choice but for continuity I think Gregg Williams. Saunders offense would be much better with Gibbs out of the picture.

View Poll Results: If Gibbs Doesn't Return, Who Should Be the Head Coach?
Bill Cowher	60	30.00%
Russ Grimm	45	22.50%
Al Saunders	9	4.50%
Gregg Williams	68	34.00%
Other (tell us who)	18	9.00%
Voters: 200. You may not vote on this poll

12-02-2007, 10:23 PM	#3
rypper11 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,228	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? Cowher is the worst coach to ever win a SB (still makes him a hell of a lot better than Norv though). He's fun and intense and if wasn't for the Rooney family loyalty he never would have lasted long enough to win the SB. If you go out on top you are always believed to be genius (Bill Walsh). If you try to recreate magic elsewhere you are remembered as an idiot (George Seifert). Please no Cowher. Saunders failed so miserably in San Diego I think he should stay coordinator. Grimm deserves the chance to build his own team not manage the one Gibbs has built (and no I don't think the whole team should be dumped and start over. We are too close for that now). Let Blache move into the more traditional DC role and call plays while GW takes over for Gibbs who would make a great president if that is what he wants. __________________ Playing a kids game for a kings ransom.

12-02-2007, 10:23 PM	#4
htownskinfan JUST LIVIN Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: houston,tx Age: 64 Posts: 4,935	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? Cowher or Grimm,either one would be fine by me __________________ Make The Redskins Great Again

12-02-2007, 10:26 PM	#5
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? I would be up for replacing Bugel with Grimm and having him on the wings. Another reason to dislike Cowher is that he's a Marty disciple.

12-02-2007, 10:34 PM	#6
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 55 Posts: 5,006	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? I'm going with 'other' but I don't have an option to name. None of the ones mentioned are appealing options to me.. Cowher isn't coming back next year.. GW just doesn't do it for me-he's as culpable as Gibbs if not more for the 5 this year and 15 overall 2nd half lost leads.. I still believe in Saunders as OC but not as a head coach.. Call me crazy, but he needs autonomy to call his gameplan.. Ok, flame retardant suit is on.. With our talent, give me Saunders calling the offense and a young aggressive defensive minded head coach (see Mike Tomlin) to set the tone for the team.. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

12-02-2007, 11:00 PM	#10
Dlyne8r Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: W. Central Florida Posts: 599	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? After this week, my heart says Gregg Williams or maybe Coach Joe will stay. History has me leaning toward Russ Grimm. But logic tells me Cowher is the guy. __________________ Charmed your drug addled candor knows no bounds

12-03-2007, 09:31 AM	#11
BugelDisciple Camp Scrub Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 46	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? after ten years of failure Snyder will finally organize the Skins like every other franchise, hire a GM and learn the hard way why this model is necessary for success...at our expense. I'd like to see a Russ Grimm/ Floyd Reese combo or maybe some GM candidate in the Patriots organization.

12-03-2007, 11:16 AM	#13
hail_2_da_skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 70 Posts: 868	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? I hate to say it, but the Joe Gibbs part II needs to be over. I love Joe Gibbs to death, but he and his current organization is not getting the job done. The coaching staff is consistently making bad decisions and losing games that are there for the taking. I think Greg Williams will be the next head coach. I hope he gets a whole new staff. The Redskins need to overhaul the entire organization. The philosophy of buying high priced free agents and trading away draft picks need to cease. I would rather see the Skins take there lumps for a couple of years and build through the draft. Quick fixes has not worked. __________________ "HAIL TO THE SKINS"

12-03-2007, 11:19 AM	#14
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? I say Cowher because I feel like his system is very similar to that of Gibbs. I think we are really close to being a good, playoff team. If we start over with a new coach, it could take YEARS to recover. __________________ "All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine

12-03-2007, 11:31 AM	#15
djdunick Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Reisterstown, MD Age: 64 Posts: 141	Re: If Not Joe, Then Who? After 2 timeouts yesterday I no longer feel guilty about wanting Joe Gibbs to go into permanent retirement. That is inexcusable. Cowher would be the worst choice. He would have the same problem that I think keeps Gibbs from being successful. He's already been to the mountain. We need someone who is hungry who hasn't won it all. Russ Grimm is the best choice but for continuity I think Gregg Williams. Saunders offense would be much better with Gibbs out of the picture.

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