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01-26-2008, 02:25 AM | #61 |
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Re: ESPN's Mortenson: Williams No Longer a Candidate
My apologies, I thought DS was going to leak info about what GW had said about Gibbs and turn it into a smear campaign against GW so the fans would be willing to accept that he did not want GW.
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01-26-2008, 02:28 AM | #62 |
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Re: ESPN's Mortenson: Williams No Longer a Candidate
I do feel sorry for GW though. At this point I would not accept the job and simply check out Jacksonville. Who know I thought that HC was nearing his end also maybe they will fire him next year and give the job to GW if he does well.
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01-26-2008, 02:34 AM | #63 |
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Re: ESPN's Mortenson: Williams No Longer a Candidate
The reality is we are all left in the dark. I, for one, am tired of checking to see what the latest scoop is. I don't like the way this is being handled and I don't think the players or coaches are being treated fairly either. I want a winning franchise but I want one I can be proud of. Not one that lacks class. I will forever be a Redskins fan and I have always supported Snyder but he is truly testing my patience this time, I think we have been through too much this past season and we deserve a smoother process than what we are getting.
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01-26-2008, 02:47 AM | #65 |
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Re: ESPN's Mortenson: Williams No Longer a Candidate
Fassal and Zorn are fine and all but who the hell is going to be our D-Coordinator?
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01-26-2008, 03:20 AM | #66 |
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Re: ESPN's Mortenson: Williams No Longer a Candidate
I posted this in extremeskins, but I just need to vent and get this off my chest:
I grew up like many of you, watching the Redskins teams of the 80's. Those teams had character, they were like a family. Jack Kent Cooke was a great owner. He hired Bobby Beathard to make football decisions and he provided the financial support. Joe Gibbs was the coach with much of the same staff for a dozen or so years. Joe Gibbs brought this type of climate back to the Skins. Especially during this past season, players truly bought in. Something special happened to this team after going through the horrible tragedy of losing Sean. Joe stabilized what had been a disaster during the many coaching and personnel changes that marked the Snyder years. We could all see that this organization was headed in the right direction. I am sickened by what has occurred since Gibbs announced his retirement. Daniel Snyder is certainly no Jack Kent Cooke. He doesn't know football, he doesn't know people, and he doesn't know his limitations. I was hoping that he had learned from Gibbs over the past four years, as he said he had during Joe's retirement press conference. Apparently, he has learned nothing about how to build and maintain a winning program. Take a quick look at the successful teams in the league and you see a common thread, stability of players and stablility of coaching and philosophy. He also has learned nothing about being decent to people. If the reports are accurate, that Snyder is not hiring Gregg Williams because of the 10 men on the field for the first play after Sean's death, then I can have no more hope for my team. I cannot believe that Gregg Williams would put Joe Gibbs down. Snyder appears to be creating excuses, and poor ones at that, so he doesn't have to hire Gregg. Dan Snyder is quickly destroying all that Joe Gibbs had built up in four years. He is destroying the feeling that we fans had as we watched this team fight its way into the playoffs. He is destroying the sense of being a real "team" that these players have experienced under Joe Gibbs. Thank you, Joe, for being here for the last four years. I got to enjoy being a fan of a team with coaches and players that I was proud of. Thank you for giving us all a feeling that we had long forgotten in years past. I am afraid that we are going back to the dark days of the pre-Gibbs Snyder era with no end in sight. |
01-26-2008, 03:30 AM | #67 | |
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Since the Ravens messed us over on Rex Ryan I think the Skins might go in a different direction. Dont be shocked if Rex Ryan is our next head coach with Zorn controlling the offense. This would not shock me and with Dan Snyders track record of getting what he wants he might forget about Fassel and promote Ryan from the Ravens. This is a longshot but im starting to think this might happen. This is all just really a guess right now though. |
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01-26-2008, 05:34 AM | #68 |
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Re: ESPN's Mortenson: Williams No Longer a Candidate
Let me first apologize for any hard feelings I might cause on the part of SBXVII, because he does strike me as a rational and devoted Skins fan and I think for the most part he makes very good points. That being said, to say that the Skins under Gibbs 1.0 played down to the level of their competition is absurd. As evidence I point to the '91 Skins' first 3 home games: Skins 45 - Lions 0; Skins 34 - Cardinals 0; Skins 23 - Iggles 0. The only 2 losses that year were the admittedly horrendous home loss to the Cowgirls that dropped the Skins to 11-1 and the last game of the season at the Vet that didn't matter.
That era of the NFL was geared toward domination, witness the 49ers and Skins of the '80s and the Cowgirls of the '90's. Now the NFL is designed for parity. The Patriots are the one exception, and this year they caught lightening in a bottle: Moss was acquired on the cheap because he basically tanked it as a Raider and the Dolphins were morons in giving Welker (please note that the Fish went 1-15 this year as further proof of their idiocy). Basically, in the NFL today, if you do not have a dominant QB and a great front office, i.e., the Colts and the Patriots, you are confined to being mediocre to good each and every year. That is the way the system is designed to work. In light of the way the current NFL is designed, and does work, 2 playoff appearances in 3 years is doing very well. Let me remind every one that prior to Gibbs 2.0, the Skins had made the playoffs once since Gibbs 1.0 and that was in a year when Snyder had just purchased the team (May '99) and had not had the time to put his imprint on it. After the 1999 season, the Skins had failed to make the playoffs in any year that Snyder owned the team prior to Gibbs 2.0. My point in all of this is simple. Snyder was given, in my opinion, one of the easiest head coaching decisions of all time: Hire Gregg Williams and continue the continuity that was built in the last 4 years. As someone smarter than me once said: "Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it." As I see it, the Skins are just going back to what they had done under Snyder prior to Gibbs returning. What was so wrong with hiring Williams? If things did not work out, and the last 4 games of this year were a fluke, they could have moved on after 1 year under Williams, made a move for Cowher and blown the whole thing up. Instead, the Skins have hired an OC without a head coach and made themselves once again the laughingstock of the entire league. Someone previously suggested that Snyder had an ace up his sleeve in trying to hire Belichick. I hope, but seriously doubt, that they are right. |
01-26-2008, 06:41 AM | #69 |
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Re: ESPN's Mortenson: Williams No Longer a Candidate
What's terrible is how Snyder goes about interacting with people in the NFL ranks. The guy is despicable when it comes to managing team personel. Remember that time he made Norv wait outside his office for hours after a big loss and Norv just ended up going home because it took so long?
That kind of shit catches up with you. These slimeball tactics, like citing hearsay that Gregg Williams said something bad about Gibbs knowing that can't possibly be verified, are a complete abomination! Snyder can't be a man when it comes to the team personel, i.e. Gibbs calling coaches and assistants. His sole merit is being able to throw wads of cash at people to get them to like him. Fuck him! Having balls and having to buy them are completely different.
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01-26-2008, 09:46 AM | #70 |
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Re: ESPN's Mortenson: Williams No Longer a Candidate
I feel bad for GW. I don't trust VC and DS one bit. I don't trust what they say and i don't trust them to make good decisions for our once proud franchise.
I'm really down and embarrassed by the Redskins right now. I'll be a lifelong fan that doesn't mean I have to like our FO right now. Even though i support GW as our new coach, ownership could have hired someone else if they thought it was a better hire and I couldn't be too upset about it. However, the way they've handled is not professional. |
01-26-2008, 09:51 AM | #71 |
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Re: ESPN's Mortenson: Williams No Longer a Candidate
Forgot to mention, if anything GW is honest. He's very self assured and tells it like it is. I'll take GW's side on this.
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01-26-2008, 09:58 AM | #72 |
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Re: ESPN's Mortenson: Williams No Longer a Candidate
The irony is that this couldn't happen in a better place: Washington DC. The home of back-room deal-making and smear campaigns.
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01-26-2008, 10:03 AM | #73 |
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Re: ESPN's Mortenson: Williams No Longer a Candidate
In two shorts weeks, DS and his evil minion Vinny, have destroyed that which carried the team the last third of the season. Team unity and chemistry born from Sean's death, is gone. Now we're hearing terms like "smear campaign." This coaching "search" is under the direct guidance and responsibility of Snyder. He, and he alone, stands to bear the blame as the Washington Redskins, once again, become a laughingstock. Under Gibbs, the team regained credibility and a solid aire of professionalism. With the checks and balance system now gone, Snyder has dismantled all that was built in the previous four years.
An amazing gift really. We're becoming the Raiders-East. Has anyone seen Al Davis and Danny Boy together at the same time? Maybe they ARE the same person. Please Gregg, hang in there! For the team, for the fans, for the memory of Sean... |
01-26-2008, 10:07 AM | #74 | |
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If all the speculation is true (and that is a bif IF) who is really still a candidate? Do you think the OC from NE is going to take a job where the boss hired an OC already? Or Spags is going to want to come riding into this mess after becoming a hot commodity this post-season? The list is getting shorter and shorter |
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01-26-2008, 10:31 AM | #75 |
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Re: ESPN's Mortenson: Williams No Longer a Candidate
Nope. If that were true the entire city of Baltimore would have filed a class action against Peter Angelos a loooonnnnnggggg time ago.
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