Update: Saunders Signs Deal with Rams to be OC

[QBall]

Originally Posted by irish

I agree. I am sure the Rams will let him do what he is being brought there to do. There wont be a 2 year learning curve, the Rams will be humming by week 3 or 4.

Oh really? They have a QB who's best days are far behind him with a terrible offensive line and aging wideouts, tight end?? The worst decision of Gibbs career was to listen to all the experts after our Playoff loss to Seattle. He stopped calling plays for the first time and went out to get Saunders. Gibbs was not the problem in 05' it was Brunnel and no real talent passing besides Moss that year. Gibbs started 6-10 (gets a pass in my book 1st year back) then he won 11 games!! I don't see why he changes the entire system at that point.

Al is a good coach but an entire offensive change was not a good call. Then when he's in Gibbs doesn't like what he is seeing and all of a sudden pulls control from him. Al wan't to blame there. Our offense did show flashes of greatness but also the play calling of Saunders could be questioned in my opinion at times. A reverse to Moss in GB with the lead? Awful call. Gmen game on the goal-line, awful. His redzone plays sucked both years!

[BDBohnzie]

Not quite sure how Marc Bulger has his best days far behind him? If anything, he's starting to blossom. He's 30, a 2 time Pro Bowler, and very capable of leading the Rams to the playoffs...if he can stay healthy. An offensive line (which the Rams are notorious for lacking) will help with that. And while Holt (31) and Bruce (36) are aging, they are still very capable receivers. Plus they have Randy McMichael, a very good pass-catching TE. And with the development of Brian Leonard, have 2 solid running backs. Al Saunders will have a field day with these guys...

[QBall]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

Not quite sure how Marc Bulger has his best days far behind him? If anything, he's starting to blossom. He's 30, a 2 time Pro Bowler, and very capable of leading the Rams to the playoffs...if he can stay healthy. An offensive line (which the Rams are notorious for lacking) will help with that. And while Holt (31) and Bruce (36) are aging, they are still very capable receivers. Plus they have Randy McMichael, a very good pass-catching TE. And with the development of Brian Leonard, have 2 solid running backs. Al Saunders will have a field day with these guys...

Bulger has looked pretty average past few years. No line means no running game. Look at the fantasy bust of the year Jackson. A stud with nowhere to run. Randy McMichael is out of shape and just a name on a jersey now. He got into substance abuse in Miami and looked bad last year, maybe he turns it around? Rutgers Brian Leonard? Ok that's not really a bigtime player.

Al Saunders is like anyone who gets FIRED, need to keep the paychecks coming in while he's still able to coach and not lay down all day like most senior citizens.

[rypper11]

If he stays healthy, Steven Jackson will rush for 2000 yards and have 800 receiving. The Rams biggest problem last year was injuries (even more than us). And don't be suprised to see them take Jake Long to shore up the line with Pace having trouble staying healthy.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Yeah! Rams & Redskins both learning a new offense in the same year, should be interesting to see how much farther along the Rams will be with that 700 page playbook than we were in his first year here.

Greg Blache probably knows it better than the Rams will when they come to FedEx.

[QBall]

Originally Posted by rypper11

If he stays healthy, Steven Jackson will rush for 2000 yards and have 800 receiving. The Rams biggest problem last year was injuries (even more than us). And don't be suprised to see them take Jake Long to shore up the line with Pace having trouble staying healthy.

Doubt you will see Jackson 2000 / 800.

LT maybe!

[Monkeydad]

Gus:

Skins
Lions
Broncos
Bengals
Vikings
Dolphins
Rams
2008 = ?

He should come back. He's used to moving. Collins will be useless without Saunders and he SHOULD follow him to St. Louie.

So we'll be down to Campbell and Brunell in his final year. We need another QB.

I'm fine with bringing Gus back. I liked him while he was here, until he headbutted the wall and hurt his neck. He still occasionally has flashes of talent...all we need for a backup anyways.

Maybe we'll draft another QB in the later rounds.

[QBall]

Originally Posted by Buster

Gus:

Skins
Lions
Broncos
Bengals
Vikings
Dolphins
Rams
2008 = ?

He should come back. He's used to moving. Collins will be useless without Saunders and he SHOULD follow him to St. Louie.

So we'll be down to Campbell and Brunell in his final year. We need another QB.

I'm fine with bringing Gus back. I liked him while he was here, until he headbutted the wall and hurt his neck. He still occasionally has flashes of talent...all we need for a backup anyways.

Maybe we'll draft another QB in the later rounds.

I think we should sign Collins. That would be best for our 08' QB situation. How many years has Collins followed Saunders and he did bring him to Washington but who gave him real playing time? WASHINGTON!

[ksmitty7723]

I totally agree with using a draft pick this year on a QB. Maybe Flacco will drop to the 3rd and the skins can get him. I have said it before, I would not be surprised to see another QB really push or take JC's job away. We have to clear Brunell's money off of us!

[QBall]

Originally Posted by ksmitty7723

I totally agree with using a draft pick this year on a QB. Maybe Flacco will drop to the 3rd and the skins can get him. I have said it before, I would not be surprised to see another QB really push or take JC's job away. We have to clear Brunell's money off of us!

Snyder hires Zorn with JC in mind! He's not losing his job to anyone.

Why waste pick on QB in 3rd round? We could use that one Defensive lineman, CB, or WR.

Sign Collins if possible.

[ksmitty7723]

Signing Collins will be a waste without Saunders. What has Jason done after a full year of starting to say he is irreplaceable? Late picks against TB and Dallas? Don't get me wrong, I like him and root for JC, but let's don't get ahead of ourselves. And another thing, do you really think Zorn took the job by looking at the QB situation?

[BDBohnzie]

Originally Posted by QBall

Bulger has looked pretty average past few years. No line means no running game. Look at the fantasy bust of the year Jackson. A stud with nowhere to run. Randy McMichael is out of shape and just a name on a jersey now. He got into substance abuse in Miami and looked bad last year, maybe he turns it around? Rutgers Brian Leonard? Ok that's not really a bigtime player.

Jackson ran for 1000 last year behind a line more riddled with injuries than the Skins line. And did it in 12 games. On top of that, he had another 38 catches. A 2000/800 season isn't that unrealistic if the Rams can sure up their O-Line. McMichael was 3rd on the Rams last year in catches and receiving yards. And while Leonard isn't a big time player, he's a solid backup.

As far as Bulger being average, in 2006, he passed for over 4300 yards (3rd in NFL), 24 TDs (T-4th)/8 INTs (Lowest among starters). Those aren't average numbers...

[QBall]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

Jackson ran for 1000 last year behind a line more riddled with injuries than the Skins line. And did it in 12 games. On top of that, he had another 38 catches. A 2000/800 season isn't that unrealistic if the Rams can sure up their O-Line. McMichael was 3rd on the Rams last year in catches and receiving yards. And while Leonard isn't a big time player, he's a solid backup.

As far as Bulger being average, in 2006, he passed for over 4300 yards (3rd in NFL), 24 TDs (T-4th)/8 INTs (Lowest among starters). Those aren't average numbers...

Stats are not the only barometer.

03' Rams 12-4 Bulger 22td-22int
04' Rams 8-8 Bulger 21td-14int
05' Rams 6-10 Bulger 14td-9int
06' Rams 8-8 Bulger 24td-8int
07' Rams 3-13 Bulger 11td-15int

So you're telling me he made playoffs in 03' and has shit the bed since and he's ready to explode with Saunders? Ok buddy. Jackon no doubt is a star but wins are more important.

[BDBohnzie]

Originally Posted by QBall

Stats are not the only barometer.

03' Rams 12-4 Bulger 22td-22int
04' Rams 8-8 Bulger 21td-14int
05' Rams 6-10 Bulger 14td-9int
06' Rams 8-8 Bulger 24td-8int
07' Rams 3-13 Bulger 11td-15int

So you're telling me he made playoffs in 03' and has shit the bed since and he's ready to explode with Saunders? Ok buddy. Jackon no doubt is a star but wins are more important.

Bulger's starts those seasons: '03 - 15, '04 - 14, '05 - 8, '06 - 16, '07 - 12

While I agree wins are important, one must remember that the Rams defense shit the bed as well.
'03 - 16th
'04 - 17th
'05 - 30th
'06 - 23rd
'07 - 21st

Can't pin team records on just the QB...I think offensively under Saunders, the Rams will do well. It's the defense that is going to be the key factor.

[irish]

Originally Posted by QBall

Bulger has looked pretty average past few years. No line means no running game. Look at the fantasy bust of the year Jackson. A stud with nowhere to run. Randy McMichael is out of shape and just a name on a jersey now. He got into substance abuse in Miami and looked bad last year, maybe he turns it around? Rutgers Brian Leonard? Ok that's not really a bigtime player.

Al Saunders is like anyone who gets FIRED, need to keep the paychecks coming in while he's still able to coach and not lay down all day like most senior citizens.

IMO, Saunders was limited by a QB that is just too slow with the ball. When Collins came in and the ball finally started coming out fast we got a taste of what the O could have been.

Today's NFL is a passing game but Gibbs never could come to terms with that (I think because he had no faith in his QB or WRs to do it).