Peter King on Zorn Hire

jamf · 02-11-2008, 01:12 PM

Is it possible that DS and VC just didn't like Fassel enough to give him the job?
The media is always jumping the gun trying to release the latest information. No one ever officially said that Fassel was going to get the job.
It's just as likely that DS and VC just came to the conclusion that he isn't the man to lead this team.

MTK · 02-11-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jamf

Is it possible that DS and VC just didn't like Fassel enough to give him the job?
The media is always jumping the gun trying to release the latest information. No one ever officially said that Fassel was going to get the job.
It's just as likely that DS and VC just came to the conclusion that he isn't the man to lead this team.

I guess we'll really never know. Snyder and Vinny are the only ones that really know what the rationale was behind this decision making process.

People are going to believe what they want to believe. There are always two sides to a story though.

DieHardSkin · 02-11-2008, 01:15 PM

Hasn't everyone (Media, Fans, Etc.) been saying for years that DS should hire a coach who is young, and has come up thru the nfl ranks, and does not necessarily have a big name. This is not a big splash name, but a calculated smart decision, and we still bash…..The guy will never get a break, and I don’t think he really cares.

mheisig · 02-11-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DieHardSkin

Hasn't everyone (Media, Fans, Etc.) been saying for years that DS should hire a coach who is young, and has come up thru the nfl ranks, and does not necessarily have a big name. This is not a big splash name, but a calculated smart decision, and we still bash…..The guy will never get a break, and I don’t think he really cares.

I thought I'd point out, since everyone seems to be saying this, that Zorn is 54, 55 in May. I'm not saying he's old, but that's not a "young head coach."

Young would be Mangini at 35, or even Gruden at 44. Zorn falls pretty much right in the middle as far as age goes.

redsk1 · 02-11-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DieHardSkin

Hasn't everyone (Media, Fans, Etc.) been saying for years that DS should hire a coach who is young, and has come up thru the nfl ranks, and does not necessarily have a big name. This is not a big splash name, but a calculated smart decision, and we still bash…..The guy will never get a break, and I don’t think he really cares.

Zorn isn't very young is he?

JWsleep · 02-11-2008, 01:22 PM

My impression is that the Zorn hire was more about VC not liking Fassel, or at least that was JLC's thought.

I think this is on Vinny. My guess is that GW and Fassel didn't want to bow to the guy, and Zorn, as a youngster, was just fine with it. I think DS was into Fassel, and they are apparently friends. This is make or break for Vinny: either it works, and we are happy, or he's gone, and we are happy. Look on the bright side!

LandrySlice · 02-11-2008, 01:42 PM

I love the Zorn hiring, and if he doesn't pan out this season, Snyder will just fire him and wait for a new crop of better coaches next year. I personally think this hire will work out well, and Zorn wil become a legend here in DC!

SmootSmack · 02-11-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LandrySlice

I love the Zorn hiring, and if he doesn't pan out this season, Snyder will just fire him and wait for a new crop of better coaches next year. I personally think this hire will work out well, and Zorn wil become a legend here in DC!

What did Greg Novis have to say about it?

Longtimefan · 02-11-2008, 01:56 PM

There are plenty of markets around the US for an NFL franchise. Disrespecting your fan base is one sure way to wind up like our two Baseball teams that wound up becoming the Minnesota Twins, and the Texas Rangers respectively. The City was 33 yrs. waiting for the return of Baseball and that was only after a tug of war.

One would not think ordinarily that public opinion would in any way sway an owner's decision as to who to hire for a particular position, but in this case I feel it did. While Zorn's hire may not be popular with some, there are others who feel it was both good and right.

EXoffender · 02-11-2008, 02:01 PM

Fassel was fired in BAL in 2006 when they were 4-2? Either way, Fassel and Zorn (and Blache) would've been a great combo.

redsk1 · 02-11-2008, 02:21 PM

The skins are easy to "bash." We've been mediocre, we spend LOTS of money-more money than the 30 others teams, and DS brings alot of heat by his antics. We are going to have to start winning to keep the dogs away.

We hire a guy that 28 days into the interview process is not even a candidate for HC, so look at it from a objective viewpoint, it is kind of odd. I'm pulling for Zorn for do great things, i'm also concerned that he might not be around for too long if DS gets himself a BIG name coach.

OverseasSkinsfan · 02-11-2008, 03:59 PM

Jim Zorn is an up and coming star in the NFL. Fassel's proven twice he's a dead end street and is further proving it today with his bitter reaction to the hiring of someone he himself endorsed. Got to agree with some of the comments above that if Fassel was such a catch, he'd have already been caught by other teamns looking for an OC or HC. No one was talking about him as an option until DS interviewed and now King thinks he's the answer for a team King never has a good thing to say about? Let King and Fassel muck around in their bitterness, but I think the Skins are better off with the rising star of Jim Zorn's optimistic leadership!

talk show host · 02-11-2008, 04:10 PM

I have to agree with Peter King. Making Zorn the HC may turn out to be a good move, but if we had hired Fassel, we could have had our cake and eaten it to. The only caveat for me would be that I would have wanted Zorn calling the plays with Fassel acting more as a "leader of men."

GusFrerotte · 02-11-2008, 04:50 PM

Snyder didn't have a choice but to take his time. Carroll told him to take a hike, and Fassel and Mooch were front runners, so not much to pick from. The Zorn pick was gutsy, but probably the only option he had with regard to the huge anti Fassel sentiment in DC. King is one target for once. Fassel went to the SB, was a successful HC in the division, and could have let Zorn develop JC. Now that development might be up in the air. I would hate for us to mess up another young QB's career because of a messed up coaching situation. Spurrier killed Ramsey, etc. Just hope JC heals properly and can learn yet another offense.

over the mountain · 02-11-2008, 05:19 PM

i dont think PK was bashing snyder or the skins but making a single common sense matter-of-fact point. Zorn, with all his quarterback coaching skills, will not be able to spend as much time with campbell now that he is the head coach and not the OC. he didnt say fassel would have been a better choice or that zorn was a poor choice.

go skins!

02-11-2008, 01:12 PM	#1
jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,323	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire Is it possible that DS and VC just didn't like Fassel enough to give him the job? The media is always jumping the gun trying to release the latest information. No one ever officially said that Fassel was going to get the job. It's just as likely that DS and VC just came to the conclusion that he isn't the man to lead this team.

02-11-2008, 01:15 PM	#3
DieHardSkin Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 35	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire Hasn't everyone (Media, Fans, Etc.) been saying for years that DS should hire a coach who is young, and has come up thru the nfl ranks, and does not necessarily have a big name. This is not a big splash name, but a calculated smart decision, and we still bash…..The guy will never get a break, and I don’t think he really cares.

02-11-2008, 01:22 PM	#6
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,719	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire My impression is that the Zorn hire was more about VC not liking Fassel, or at least that was JLC's thought. I think this is on Vinny. My guess is that GW and Fassel didn't want to bow to the guy, and Zorn, as a youngster, was just fine with it. I think DS was into Fassel, and they are apparently friends. This is make or break for Vinny: either it works, and we are happy, or he's gone, and we are happy. Look on the bright side! __________________ Hail from Houston!

02-11-2008, 01:42 PM	#7
LandrySlice Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: AFGHANISTAN Posts: 335	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire I love the Zorn hiring, and if he doesn't pan out this season, Snyder will just fire him and wait for a new crop of better coaches next year. I personally think this hire will work out well, and Zorn wil become a legend here in DC!

02-11-2008, 01:56 PM	#9
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire There are plenty of markets around the US for an NFL franchise. Disrespecting your fan base is one sure way to wind up like our two Baseball teams that wound up becoming the Minnesota Twins, and the Texas Rangers respectively. The City was 33 yrs. waiting for the return of Baseball and that was only after a tug of war. One would not think ordinarily that public opinion would in any way sway an owner's decision as to who to hire for a particular position, but in this case I feel it did. While Zorn's hire may not be popular with some, there are others who feel it was both good and right.

02-11-2008, 02:01 PM	#10
EXoffender The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Norfolk, Va Posts: 1,046	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire Fassel was fired in BAL in 2006 when they were 4-2? Either way, Fassel and Zorn (and Blache) would've been a great combo.

02-11-2008, 02:21 PM	#11
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire The skins are easy to "bash." We've been mediocre, we spend LOTS of money-more money than the 30 others teams, and DS brings alot of heat by his antics. We are going to have to start winning to keep the dogs away. We hire a guy that 28 days into the interview process is not even a candidate for HC, so look at it from a objective viewpoint, it is kind of odd. I'm pulling for Zorn for do great things, i'm also concerned that he might not be around for too long if DS gets himself a BIG name coach.

02-11-2008, 03:59 PM	#12
OverseasSkinsfan Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 17	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire Jim Zorn is an up and coming star in the NFL. Fassel's proven twice he's a dead end street and is further proving it today with his bitter reaction to the hiring of someone he himself endorsed. Got to agree with some of the comments above that if Fassel was such a catch, he'd have already been caught by other teamns looking for an OC or HC. No one was talking about him as an option until DS interviewed and now King thinks he's the answer for a team King never has a good thing to say about? Let King and Fassel muck around in their bitterness, but I think the Skins are better off with the rising star of Jim Zorn's optimistic leadership!

02-11-2008, 04:10 PM	#13
talk show host Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 13	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire I have to agree with Peter King. Making Zorn the HC may turn out to be a good move, but if we had hired Fassel, we could have had our cake and eaten it to. The only caveat for me would be that I would have wanted Zorn calling the plays with Fassel acting more as a "leader of men."

02-11-2008, 04:50 PM	#14
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire Snyder didn't have a choice but to take his time. Carroll told him to take a hike, and Fassel and Mooch were front runners, so not much to pick from. The Zorn pick was gutsy, but probably the only option he had with regard to the huge anti Fassel sentiment in DC. King is one target for once. Fassel went to the SB, was a successful HC in the division, and could have let Zorn develop JC. Now that development might be up in the air. I would hate for us to mess up another young QB's career because of a messed up coaching situation. Spurrier killed Ramsey, etc. Just hope JC heals properly and can learn yet another offense.

02-11-2008, 05:19 PM	#15
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire i dont think PK was bashing snyder or the skins but making a single common sense matter-of-fact point. Zorn, with all his quarterback coaching skills, will not be able to spend as much time with campbell now that he is the head coach and not the OC. he didnt say fassel would have been a better choice or that zorn was a poor choice. go skins!

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