Cedric Benson arrested (and now released)

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I can't wait for the vet min crowd to chime in

Oh it's coming...

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I would have to say T.O. is probably better than Monk and Clark. And that's not a slap in the face to either. T.O. has well over 100 TD's. That's pretty select company.

I would have to say your wrong. Both Monk and Clark knew how to play the TEAM sport of football as well as any WR that ever played this game. And although they didn't have 100 TD's so what? They both had 60+ TD's and multiple SuperBowl Rings to go with the class and dignity on and off the field that only select few ever had. TO NOT INCLUDED IN THAT COMPANY! And how many SB rings has TO earned......NONE!

[mooby]

I'm totally suprised Benson was released. I didn't see that coming for a minute.

[/end sarcasm]

Vet min?

lolol sorry I wanted to. I think we're pretty set at running back, probably moreso than any other position on the team.

As for the whole T.O. argument, give the guy his due. You can say what you want about what a loudmouth he is, but the guy has been consistently good wherever he goes. There's no way I'd say Clark, Monk, and Sanders are all better than him. Class is a different story, but in today's NFL T.O. isn't the only primadonna receiver.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Here it is. Just happened:

ESPN - Bears send home Benson, later release troubled running back - NFL

Well he's kind of like this thread on the road to nowhere. Hopefully the end is near, and the thread won't have to die such a slow drawn out death......

[skinsfan_nn]

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Sorry mods for the double post. I meant to add the thread title is just a bit out dated as well.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

I would have to say your wrong. Both Monk and Clark knew how to play the TEAM sport of football as well as any WR that ever played this game. And although they didn't have 100 TD's so what? They both had 60+ TD's and multiple SuperBowl Rings to go with the class and dignity on and off the field that only select few ever had. TO NOT INCLUDED IN THAT COMPANY! And how many SB rings has TO earned......NONE!

Not only that, Monk and Clark played primarily in a "running first offense" not the "pass happy offense" that T.O. has played in SF & Philly WC offenses, Cowboys are a Redskins old type hybrid offense. Can you imagine what stats Clark and Monk would of had if they had a Joe Montana for QB in a WC offense? Give me Monk or Clark over any other any WR in the NFL, including Jerry "the whiner" Rice.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Not only that, Monk and Clark played primarily in a "running first offense" not the "pass happy offense" that T.O. has played in SF & Philly WC offenses, Cowboys are a Redskins old type hybrid offense. Can you imagine what stats Clark and Monk would of had if they had a Joe Montana for QB in a WC offense? Give me Monk or Clark over any other any WR in the NFL, including Jerry "the whiner" Rice.

Typical homerism at it's best. Jerry Rice was better than Monk and Clark. Hands down.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Typical homerism at it's best. Jerry Rice was better than Monk and Clark. Hands down.

Yeah, when you got Joe Montana and Steve Young for QB's, play on a passing offense in the weakest division in the NFL (Falcons, Saints, Rams) and face them twice a year you would also have awesome stats. I've been in SF since 1982, have watched JR since he started his career with SF to his retirement and the guy was a Prima Donna. He whined about not getting the ball, racism for not getting MVP one year Montana got it (so they gave it to him the next year) getting caught in a massage parlor and claiming it was a joke his teammates pulled on him, etc. The guy wishes he had the class Art Monk exhibited. He was a great player but so was Monk with some crappy QB's throwing to him with the exception of Joey T. Homerism? Sure, I just call it like it is.

[That Guy]

all i got to say is that benson is better than marcus mason and both will be playing for pennies this year.

[That Guy]

oh yeah, isn't it a bit damning that our new personnel guy was part of the group that decided to waste a top 5 pick on this guy?

i mean, i'm pretty sure brown was more on the nfl/afl scouting side of things, but still.

[SmootSmack]

Well if it's any consolation, I believe Morocco focused strictly on the pro players while the Bears. The college game wasn't his domain

[MTK]

Even if he was involved with the decision making regarding Benson who cares?

Everyone who makes personnel decisions is going to have a dud every now and then. It's part of the business.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Yeah, when you got Joe Montana and Steve Young for QB's, play on a passing offense in the weakest division in the NFL (Falcons, Saints, Rams) and face them twice a year you would also have awesome stats. I've been in SF since 1982, have watched JR since he started his career with SF to his retirement and the guy was a Prima Donna. He whined about not getting the ball, racism for not getting MVP one year Montana got it (so they gave it to him the next year) getting caught in a massage parlor and claiming it was a joke his teammates pulled on him, etc. The guy wishes he had the class Art Monk exhibited. He was a great player but so was Monk with some crappy QB's throwing to him with the exception of Joey T. Homerism? Sure, I just call it like it is.

Monk = better class. Rice = the best wr of all time.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Monk = better class. Rice = the best wr of all time.

I am of the opinion that Jerry Rice is the greatest WR of all time who is not currently active. I realize I share that opinion with pretty much everyone else.

I really think that there should be more controversy regarding the greatest WR ever. I mean, Rice's numbers are unmatched, but he played in San Francisco with two of the three (IMO) greatest QBs ever, and then got to play with Jeff Garcia for a season, before moving on to Oakland and playing with the guy who, during the two year span he was there, was the best QB in the game (Gannon). So Rice's numbers, as unobtainable as they are, have to be taken in context of playing with the great passers throughout a 20 year career.

I think Marvin Harrison might have been a more dangerous weapon in his time, and certainly Randy Moss' 3 top seasons were as good if not better than Rice's best three. Moss is totally inconsistent from one year to the next, and not really worthy of a greatest ever discussion, but I think his career shows my point well that Rice, perhaps the greatest WR ever, is probably overrated when people say he's the greatest of all time bar none, because it's not looking at his career in context.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Even if he was involved with the decision making regarding Benson who cares?

Everyone who makes personnel decisions is going to have a dud every now and then. It's part of the business.

From a personnel standpoint, Benson was far from a Bust.

In 2006, he was worth more value per play than Thomas Jones. That allowed the Bears to deal TJ, who has yet to have a season in NY as good as his weakest in his 3 yrs in Chicago.

I think everyone would have struggled behind the Bears OL in 2007. Benson was exceptionally bad, and I'm not excusing his level of poorness just in the same way I don't excuse Portis' level of poorness last year. Of course, if you asked anyone, Bears fans even, who is better: Portis or Benson -- the answer would be Portis 10 out of 10 times. Though both struggled in 2007 after a similar amount of carries in 2006 and a similar level of success.

The point here is this: Benson is not a Bear anymore for purely character reasons, and even though his most recent season sucked, it's safe to say he would have rebounded. Cedric Benson is not a particularly intelligent person, and that may have led to multiple arrests in the same city within a month of each other.

That's certainly not a black mark on Morrocco Brown, especially considering that Jerry Angelo is a horrible evaluator of offensive skill.