FISA with Telecom Immunity Passed

[dmek25]

people talk about drinking the redskins kool aid. firstdown, you definitely have sipped on the Bush kool aid

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by dmek25

people talk about drinking the redskins kool aid. firstdown, you definitely have sipped on the Bush kool aid

Sipps on it!?!?!? No way! He gulps it!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

people talk about drinking the redskins kool aid. firstdown, you definitely have sipped on the Bush kool aid

Well I guess the guy for the AP was drinking the same stuff then.
Journal & Courier

Known as "Alliance," it began with a satellite phone call in 2003, just weeks after the Americans' surveillance plane crashed in the southern Colombian jungle, according to U.S. and Colombian investigators and court documents.
The call came from Nancy Conde, the regional finance and supply chief for the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, whose boyfriend would become the American hostages' jailer. She was calling confederates in Miami to see if they could supply the rebels with some satellite phones.
What Conde didn't know was that state security agents were listening.
U.S. law officers arrested the Miami contacts, who in exchange for promises of reduced sentences put Conde in touch with an FBI front company, according to a U.S. law enforcement official involved in the investigation, who spoke on condition of anonymity for security reasons.

[dmek25]

calm down. im just trying to have alittle fun with you

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

calm down. im just trying to have alittle fun with you

I was just responding to your post and then Millers101 post which made it sound like I made up the story. What I was pointing out that tracking the bad guys has produced results and may have saved these three guys life. I don't think this wire tapping was under FISA but it does prove to have its uses. It was the bad guys caling the US and they tapped their phones and made several arrest then got those guys phones with taps in them so they could trace them down. Not sure why it took five years but the end result was we got our guys back and caught a few more of the bad guys.

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I was just responding to your post and then Millers101 post which made it sound like I made up the story. What I was pointing out that tracking the bad guys has produced results and may have saved these three guys life. I don't think this wire tapping was under FISA but it does prove to have its uses. It was the bad guys caling the US and they tapped their phones and made several arrest then got those guys phones with taps in them so they could trace them down. Not sure why it took five years but the end result was we got our guys back and caught a few more of the bad guys.

Hey Firstdown.........just for the record I was joking around too.

And I see your point in your post, but..........it doesn't bother you? This immunity thing? They should have passed this law first! They shouldn't have just kept Congress in the dark and broken the law. And kept on breaking the law for 7 years or so. That is bullcrud! And now, noone is going to have too answer for it.......EVEN MORE BULLCRUD!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Miller101

Hey Firstdown.........just for the record I was joking around too.

And I see your point in your post, but..........it doesn't bother you? This immunity thing? They should have passed this law first! They shouldn't have just kept Congress in the dark and broken the law. And kept on breaking the law for 7 years or so. That is bullcrud! And now, noone is going to have too answer for it.......EVEN MORE BULLCRUD!

They had congressional hearing about this and even the Judge who testified said that the president did not break any laws. Now if you can show the evidence he broke the law then you have done more than they could do and I'm sure the Dems looked at this from all angles. Now if you feel it is breaking your rights then that is another thing but against the law it wasn't. What they just did here was to put into law the procedure the president has to follow so it is clear to all what powers he does or does not have.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by firstdown

They had congressional hearing about this and even the Judge who testified said that the president did not break any laws. Now if you can show the evidence he broke the law then you have done more than they could do and I'm sure the Dems looked at this from all angles. Now if you feel it is breaking your rights then that is another thing but against the law it wasn't. What they just did here was to put into law the procedure the president has to follow so it is clear to all what powers he does or does not have.

It is not 100% clear whether the President's spying program violated the law. I have seen nothing that conclusively answers that question one way or the other. That shouldn't be terribly surprising - seeing how the precise scope of the program has been kept under lock and key. So, unless someone here is privy to "super secret" information on the program and is legal academic, I don't think anyone on this board is qualified to say whether the President violated the law in creating the program. Nevertheless, non-lawyer conservatives usually say he didn't break the law and non-lawyer liberals usually say he did and should be jailed ... all without knowing what the program entails or what law(s) it implicates.

EDIT - I should mention that I personally think some information has come out which suggests that certain laws may have been violated. But, I don't know whether those reports are accurate and I haven't fully looked into the matter.

[dmek25]

my point, i think, is the same point that guy was trying to make. if you don't have the proper checks and balances in place, the government will definitely misuse this power

[saden1]

There's nothing to predict, Obama has already voted in favor of the FISA bill.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by saden1

There's nothing to predict, Obama has already voted in favor of the FISA bill.

Maybe he's already gotten his briefing. One of the great things our government does, these pre-election briefings. Kennedy actually ambushed Nixon in 1960 at one of the debates with Cuba intel that was suppossed to be off limits for the campaign. The reality is that history indicates that Democrats adore expansive executive power, and they have the advantage of a press corps that understands that they would never misuse it. Republican abuses are merely Democratic assertiveness or deciseveness or whatever other positive word fits the best on the cover of the magazine.