Vice Presidential Debate Thread

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by saden1

When people in here say Sarah Palin is more qualified than Obama or she's not really as stupid as she seems the only choice I am left with is to post video clips of her in action. I don't know why you guys are hating on me, she's making news all over the place and I'm bringing you current news.

You all want me to be that guy that sees redeeming qualities in McCain and Palin and I see none. If it were up to me I would have them evaluated by a clinical psychiatrist for intellectual disability before letting the run for hall monitor let alone for the office of presidency. Or perhaps you want me to toe the "they're all the same." You want real honesty, step up and state the obvious instead of weaseling out by saying "she wouldn't be my choice" or "he'll do the least damage." She's an insult to you.

You guys obviously see the gross negligence of John McCain and the Republican party as some sort of a joke or something that can be overlooked. This is not a fucking joke. Running this country is a serious business and people in here act like it's football game. You know what, the jokes on you and me but while I see the joke I'm afraid folks in here don't. It's a shame really. You go ahead and peddle in that "she has executive experience" bullshit and I'll continue to post those videos.

no offense, but this is kinda trollish/strawman again. I don't know who on here is arguing she has vast executive experience... i mean, her total population was pretty small too.

as far as the military man thing - bill clinton and george bush have been terrible for our military, and i much rather have someone with some experience there than not. obama is COMPLETELY out of touch with the military, how it works, and the people in it - at least that's my personal experience and that of those i know.

i'm really sorry powell didn't run in 2000 (i know the wife story) and i'm sorry he got played by bush like that, cause he's more qualified than both of these guys combined.

BOTH parties are pushing for legislation they can't pay for, both explain that they'll pay for it with things that don't come close to covering cost (mccain's death to earmarks and lower gov spending, obama's taxes and oversight into insurance companies). I much rather vote for someone to slash government waste/spending(farm subsidies, earmarks, etc), fix the big problems (massive research into hydrogen/new battery technology/new electric car tech, sane nuke laws, nuke plants, medicare, SS, actually holding execs and scam artists accountable (if china can do it, we should be able to).


that being said, neither one offers even half of those things. mccain has a few, obama has a couple (though i like his push for education reform, i'm not sure his plan really fixes the problem or can even be implemented due to costs - funding no child left behind would be a good start though, and i think newt spent a lot of time on the education problem, so i'd like to read on that).

neither one really has a solid economic plan that accounts for the current situation and their total policy package (obamas capital gains quotes from early on were retarded stupid though, hopefully he's fixed that), so i can't see how someone can be that hard up against mccain when neither party is offering much in the way of leadership and tough decision making. maybe that changes when they get sworn in and feel like they can finally stop pandering, but this whole process is backwards.

[dmek25]

i look at sadens videos for entertainment. but i somewhat agree about his point. can anyone on this board say, with a straight face, that she really is qualified to be the president? i disagree with John McCain's policies, but we all agree his health is an issue. the mere thought of Sarah Palin running this country ought to scare the hell out of everyone

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i look at sadens videos for entertainment. but i somewhat agree about his point. can anyone on this board say, with a straight face, that she really is qualified to be the president? i disagree with John McCain's policies, but we all agree his health is an issue. the mere thought of Sarah Palin running this country ought to scare the hell out of everyone

Would you say then that the election in your mind is really Obama vs Palin?

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Would you say then that the election in your mind is really Obama vs Palin?

the election is really based on John McCain's very reckless choice of his running mate. even if you don't like Joe Biden, i think we would agree that if something happened to Obama, he could step up and run the country

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by dmek25

the election is really based on John McCain's very reckless choice of his running mate. even if you don't like Joe Biden, i think we would agree that if something happened to Obama, he could step up and run the country

I guess this (and in several other cases) is where you and I disagree on what the more important issue is. Not that Biden couldn't run the country, but that it's more important that Biden could step in for Obama but that Obama is the right choice to begin with.

[dmek25]

i have never said that John McCain wasn't qualified. but his stance on foreign affairs really frightens me. he is a military man. and military men want to do what they are trained to do. and that is fight. as we progress as a nation, diplomacy has to be first and foremost. otherwise, the united states will have a presence in all non democracy regions. and we will be going at it alone. i wonder how many of our allies are still present in Iraq? does anyone know? it seems like with our current administration, we have really alienated some of the countries we used to call friends

[dmek25]

i think your missing my point. the choice was a direct John McCain decision. if he is so careless in this decision, what other decisions will he be as careless with?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i think your missing my point. the choice was a direct John McCain decision. if he is so careless in this decision, what other decisions will he be as careless with?

Fair enough

[SmootSmack]

saden, I just wish your contributions went back to something along the lines of this thread

http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lo...-energy-5.html

or this one

http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lo...ng-crisis.html

Not because of what your position is, but because you added your own relatively level-headed insight and opinion into it. I wouldn't be so upset if I thought you were one of those people on this board who further prove their ignorance every time they speak on a subject and should just basically be ignored.

[724Skinsfan]

Great post, That Guy! Neither are saviors and I doubt either one would wreck the country or lead us into a Golden Age. I can't stand the "since I'm pro X candidate I have to bash the Y candidate" mentality. Support you're candidate because of your belief in them. If they're strong enough they'll likely win the election. Obama actually started out a year ago with this type of anti-mud slinging message. Unfortunately, his supporters came out in full force and ignored him. There are definitely ad campaigns on both sides that are piling it on pretty thick but as far as water cooler talk goes the anti-McCain/Palin is just as strong if not stronger than the pro-Obama.

[Hog1]

Nice post TG.
I think you are more of what I am looking for in a candidate than the others! Had you mentioned immigration reform (you may have noticed, nobody else did), you'd be perfect!
The biggest shocker to me..........are these people the best we can do???
HOW can that be?

[DynamiteRave]

I think Saden gets a bad wrap around here. I think he makes no more sweeping generalizations for the liberals than jsarno (sorry Js. No hard feelings. Just judging from past posts you've made that many people have tried to shoot down. I've got nothing against you or your republicanism no matter how much it makes me crazy. ) for the conservatives.

It seems like people are just getting frustrated over the youtube clips, which if that's the case, seems rather petty. I'm sure Saden could back his clips up or his opinions if someone actually bothered asking instead of just patronizing him and other wise saying how far he's fallen from intelligent to lemming status.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I think Saden gets a bad wrap around here. I think he makes no more sweeping generalizations for the liberals than jsarno (sorry Js. No hard feelings. Just judging from past posts you've made that many people have tried to shoot down. I've got nothing against you or your republicanism no matter how much it makes me crazy. ) for the conservatives.

It seems like people are just getting frustrated over the youtube clips, which if that's the case, seems rather petty. I'm sure Saden could back his clips up or his opinions if someone actually bothered asking instead of just patronizing him and other wise saying how far he's fallen from intelligent to lemming status.

I think there are certainly people on both sides of the fence who make ignorant, sweeping generalizations. There are people here who I generally agree with, but I find their manner in presenting their opinion to be completely embarrassing. By the same token, there are people that I don't agree with but I think they present their case admirably.

And I don't think it's petty to get frustrated over the youtube clips. I would have much preferred saden came on this post and said "here was my take on the VP debate. I think Biden solidified his case and this is why" or whatever the case may be, rather than "here's a misleading youtube clip...you decide." That's...well that's just patronizing to the rest of us.

Of course saden can back his opinions up. He's done it before, I'm not sure why it's incumbent upon us to ask him to do it again.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I think Saden gets a bad wrap around here. I think he makes no more sweeping generalizations for the liberals than jsarno (sorry Js. No hard feelings. Just judging from past posts you've made that many people have tried to shoot down. I've got nothing against you or your republicanism no matter how much it makes me crazy. ) for the conservatives.

It seems like people are just getting frustrated over the youtube clips, which if that's the case, seems rather petty. I'm sure Saden could back his clips up or his opinions if someone actually bothered asking instead of just patronizing him and other wise saying how far he's fallen from intelligent to lemming status.

Well, I don't take offense to it at all, cause there is no point in leading a horse to water if they have no intentions of drinking. There has NEVER been anyone here that has changed their mind on a presidential candidate. So why waste your time? Although, comparing me to Saden (in politics) is not all fair, he is everywhere around here, and my posts have been sparse.

ps- I think you forget that I am an independant even though I certainly do not like what the left is doing.

All in all, no hard feelings at all.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Thought this was interesting. Maybe there is not such a gap between Biden and Palin after all.

FOXNews.com - Did Biden Get It Wrong? You Betcha - Opinion