Liberal Supermajority

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

It's not much of a prediction if all they're doing is reading off of the Democrat's agenda book. It's amazing what is being passed off as insightful predictions these days.

This article was an attempt at educating the "uninformed". You and I knew what would happen, but I believe a large segment of those who voted for Obama didn't realize the real consequences

p.s. Don't tell anyone this folks but you too can get a piece of that 4 billion dollar pie.

I'm pretty confident unless you're a director/board member of a left-wing organization already "in bed" with the Administration you're not getting anywhere near that $ 4B.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BringBackJoeT

1) It's about time.
2) Good news--the middle class never thrived more than when union membership was hearty.
3) "Chicago-style" politics. You mean the Obama administration is going to be aggressive? Gee, White House administrations NEVER act like that. ("If you can't stand the heat, boys, . . ." )
4) Amen. The country remains strong because of them.

1) No matter the financial cost or reduction in health care quality/benefits/delivery that will affect the vast majority in the U.S.
2) The years of unions taking advantage of the auto industry are definitely a major contributor to the failure of GM & Chrysler.
3) Chicago style politics is more of the Blago/R. Emanuel style certainly a lot worse than "being aggressive". The WH Chief of Staff dropping F-Bomb laden tirades in meetings with Congressional leaders is just the tip of the iceberg.
4) Voter registration fraud definitely makes the country stronger.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Thought this thread deserved a bump since it's now effectively happened with Franken winning the Senate seat in MN.."

the people of mn that voted for franken have to be,HAVE TO BE the most retarded people in the entire world.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Maybe not directly but to pay a person $40 -$60/hour just to sit there and watch parts go buy is way too much money. Then to promise that person the wages and insurance when they retire is insane. If you look at and compare the union workers in the ford, gm, and chrysler plants to the honda, hyundi, and toyota plants you will see that the workers in the big three have it much easier. I mean for christ's sakes chrysler wanted to take $20 away from their workers just to put them on the same level as the honda, toyota, and hyundi workers and the union said "NO". Even with the $20 decrease they still were making $25-$40 per hour. I bet that helped out their cause not to go bankrupted. Just recently a transfercase company in Syracuse, NY is shutting down because of the union. The workers voted down a contract 4 times after the company gave each worker $77,000 to help with the decrease of the workers pay by $9. $77,000 just given to you, and yet the people still vote down a contract between the company and the union. Now their will be around 5,000 people with out a job and the union is the middle man. I bet that helps out the economy also...

One more thing unions are why you have to overpay for a vehicle by $10,000 to $15,000...

Really? You make it sound all fun and games at plant GM. Honestly though, when you disrespect them in such manner you squander any credibility you have. There's more than meets the eye but why bother with details when you can just toss numbers around without citation. I smell the foul stench of hearsay painted with manure.

Pssst, the average worker salary at GM is not 40-60 dollars an hour as you have state. The average worker's hourly rate is $69 which includes benefits and legacy retiree cost and is expected to go down to $62 in 2010. The actual average take home pay is ~$30 which is comparative to that of Toyota and et al.


Help corporate America, support Universal Health Care.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

This article was an attempt at educating the "uninformed". You and I knew what would happen, but I believe a large segment of those who voted for Obama didn't realize the real consequences


I'm pretty confident unless you're a director/board member of a left-wing organization already "in bed" with the Administration you're not getting anywhere near that $ 4B.

I think they weighed the consequence of electing another republican vs a democrat pretty well. What were the uninformed thinking? "Another republican? Oh hell no, I'm not going to give those mofo another chance to do more damage." And when Obama f'up they'll say the same thing about the democrats.


That's the misinformation bs out there about ACORN.You just have to have a legit NGO and apply for the funds. Let's leave the conspiracy theories for 70 shall we.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by slingin sammy 33

1) no matter the financial cost or reduction in health care quality/benefits/delivery that will affect for the vast majority in the u.s.
2) the years of unions taking advantage of the auto industry are definitely a major contributor to the failure of gm & chrysler.
3) chicago style politics is more of the blago/r. Emanuel style certainly a lot worse than "being aggressive". The wh chief of staff dropping f-bomb laden tirades in meetings with congressional leaders is just the tip of the iceberg.
4) voter registration fraud definitely makes the country stronger.

glad to see that i am not the only one!!!

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by saden1

Really? You make it sound all fun and games at plant GM. Honestly though, when you disrespect them in such manner you squander any credibility you have. There's more than meets the eye but why bother with details when you can just toss numbers around without citation. I smell the foul stench of hearsay painted with manure.

Pssst, the average worker salary at GM is not 40-60 dollars an hour as you have state. The average worker's hourly rate is $69 which includes benefits and legacy retiree cost and is expected to go down to $62 in 2010. The actual average take home pay is ~$30 which is comparative to that of Toyota and et al.


Help corporate America, support Universal Health Care.

Either way your telling me that it ok for people to make that money for not doing anything, not being a skilled labor? What America do you live in? Are you part of a union? I am only speaking of the UAW, and what I have seen in these plants it is nothing more than f*<king highway robbery going on...

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Either way your telling me that it ok for people to make that money for not doing anything, not being a skilled labor? What America do you live in? Are you part of a union? I am only speaking of the UAW, and what I have seen in these plants it is nothing more than f*<king highway robbery going on...

Here i was thinking that before GM's decline they manufactured 9.35 million car in 2007 vs 9.5 million cars that Toyota built. With relatively the same number of employees too.

Believe it or not but you don't know what you're talking about and I am more than happy to inform you.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by saden1

Here i was thinking that before GM's decline they manufactured 9.35 million car in 2007 vs 9.5 million cars that Toyota built. With relatively the same number of employees too.

Believe it or not but you don't know what you're talking about and I am more than happy to inform you.

Whatever union lover, next your going to tell me that any kid that shows up to an athletic event should get a trophy just for trying. Yeah that's a good way to teach work ethic, and pamper the lazy. I would love to see an union employee try to work in a non-union factory, the key word there is "work," you won't find that in any union dictionary. Then you will follow up with the education system needs to eliminate physical education just because little Johnny or little Suzy may not be as good as others and their feelings may be hurt...

[dmek25]

i would take offense to what you are saying 8588, but you really don't know what you are talking about. my dad was a teamster for all but 40 years, and worked for what he has. you seem to forget that there are 2 sides at the table. if these wages are so inconceivable, then why did management agree to them? unions are a big reason that alot of Americans can enjoy a decent wage. the only reason they are starting to fade away is Ronald Reagan, and what he did to the air traffic controllers. with corporate greed running wild, do you trust the board that runs your company, to do whats best for you? i know i don't

[firstdown]

Well its not hard to see what happens when we get big goverment you just have to turn and look at CA. and the 20 bil in red tape they are now trying to deal with.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Really? You make it sound all fun and games at plant GM. Honestly though, when you disrespect them in such manner you squander any credibility you have. There's more than meets the eye but why bother with details when you can just toss numbers around without citation. I smell the foul stench of hearsay painted with manure.

Pssst, the average worker salary at GM is not 40-60 dollars an hour as you have state. The average worker's hourly rate is $69 which includes benefits and legacy retiree cost and is expected to go down to $62 in 2010. The actual average take home pay is ~$30 which is comparative to that of Toyota and et al.


Help corporate America, support Universal Health Care.

SO how many people do you know working at a place like GM?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Whatever union lover, next your going to tell me that any kid that shows up to an athletic event should get a trophy just for trying. Yeah that's a good way to teach work ethic, and pamper the lazy. I would love to see an union employee try to work in a non-union factory, the key word there is "work," you won't find that in any union dictionary. Then you will follow up with the education system needs to eliminate physical education just because little Johnny or little Suzy may not be as good as others and their feelings may be hurt...

Your incoherent babbling is pathetic. There are many not so kind words to describe you and I'm pretty confidant you've heard them all so I'll spare you from having to hear them again. Watch out for the cliff ahead genius.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i would take offense to what you are saying 8588, but you really don't know what you are talking about. my dad was a teamster for all but 40 years, and worked for what he has. you seem to forget that there are 2 sides at the table. if these wages are so inconceivable, then why did management agree to them? unions are a big reason that alot of Americans can enjoy a decent wage. the only reason they are starting to fade away is Ronald Reagan, and what he did to the air traffic controllers. with corporate greed running wild, do you trust the board that runs your company, to do whats best for you? i know i don't

Stop it dmek, everyone knows unions are anti-American. It's a communist tactic that will eventually destroy America. Along with the homosexuals and cap-and-trade of course.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

SO how many people do you know working at a place like GM?

What does that have to with anything? I could claim to know one person and you would not know if I am telling the truth or lying. I don't need to personally know a GM employee to know the numbers.