Would you accept Michael Vick on the Redskins?

[dmek25]

as a football player, yes. as a human being, no. that's up to ownership to decide. and ss33, your company discriminates against people with a record. i personally dont want thugs on the team i root for

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dmek25

as a football player, yes. as a human being, no. that's up to ownership to decide. and ss33, your company discriminates against people with a record. i personally dont want thugs on the team i root for

To be accurate, discrimination is the wrong term. Employers are not permitted to deny opportunity for employment based on race, religion, gender, age, or nationality. So says Amendment 16 of the US Constitution, thereby qualifying as discrimination.

There are no laws against denying employment opportunity against those with criminal records. This is perfectly legal, done all the time, and something I wholeheartedly support.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

To be accurate, discrimination is the wrong term. Employers are not permitted to deny opportunity for employment based on race, religion, gender, age, or nationality. So says Amendment 16 of the US Constitution, thereby qualifying as discrimination.

There are no laws against denying employment opportunity against those with criminal records. This is perfectly legal, done all the time, and something I wholeheartedly support.

so you don't think people can be rehabbed? or change? if you don't give people a second chance, they just continue going down the wrong path, creating headaches for normal, productive members of society

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by dmek25

so you don't think people can be rehabbed? or change? if you don't give people a second chance, they just continue going down the wrong path, creating headaches for normal, productive members of society

In THIS case, I do not believe you can "rehab" mentally defective behavior. What brings a person to torture innocent animals? I think 44ever said it. He's a dark twisted soul. He may not repeat as he has no desire to go back to the slam and deal his cellmate "Ben Dover"............but THAT is not getting rehabbed. Abstenance.....possibly, but not rehabilitation. He'll probably be a good guy until he watches "Silence of the lambs" one to many times......

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by dmek25

so you don't think people can be rehabbed? or change? if you don't give people a second chance, they just continue going down the wrong path, creating headaches for normal, productive members of society

You're showing your liberal stripes again

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dmek25

so you don't think people can be rehabbed? or change? if you don't give people a second chance, they just continue going down the wrong path, creating headaches for normal, productive members of society

I think some people can be rehabbed, but that's not the point. I support giving employers the option to decide who they want to give that second chance to. If they don't want to give that second chance, they shouldn't have to.

GMScud makes great points, there is gray area galore. I'm of the same mind that I can overlook a DWI offense for certain positions, while someone convicted of aggravated assault probably wouldn't stand a chance with me.

There are positions where you just don't want to take the chance. If I'm hiring someone to clean the bathrooms of my office building, I probably don't care if they've been convicted of drug charges in the past. If I'm a car dealership hiring a car salesmen, I absolutely want someone with a 100% clean record.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think some people can be rehabbed, but that's not the point. I support giving employers the option to decide who they want to give that second chance to. If they don't want to give that second chance, they shouldn't have to.

GMScud makes great points, there is gray area galore. I'm of the same mind that I can overlook a DWI offense for certain positions, while someone convicted of aggravated assault probably wouldn't stand a chance with me.

There are positions where you just don't want to take the chance. If I'm hiring someone to clean the bathrooms of my office building, I probably don't care if they've been convicted of drug charges in the past. If I'm a car dealership hiring a car salesmen, I absolutely want someone with a 100% clean record.

Great point. I doubt Vick will ever be a starting QB in the NFL again cause it's so much more than throwing a football and reading defenses. There is the business side and your QB has to be marketable. No one says Vick can't work a 9-5.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think some people can be rehabbed, but that's not the point. I support giving employers the option to decide who they want to give that second chance to. If they don't want to give that second chance, they shouldn't have to.

GMScud makes great points, there is gray area galore. I'm of the same mind that I can overlook a DWI offense for certain positions, while someone convicted of aggravated assault probably wouldn't stand a chance with me.

There are positions where you just don't want to take the chance. If I'm hiring someone to clean the bathrooms of my office building, I probably don't care if they've been convicted of drug charges in the past. If I'm a car dealership hiring a car salesmen, I absolutely want someone with a 100% clean record.

I wouldn't hire Michael Vick to clean the toilets in my office.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by dmek25

so you don't think people can be rehabbed? or change? if you don't give people a second chance, they just continue going down the wrong path, creating headaches for normal, productive members of society

ALSO, I think PC and possibly some Federal laws may mandate that as a convicted felon (having served your due) you deserve the same consideration as the next candidate for a job. In reality, in all but a small percentage of circumstances.....the AIN'T happening

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Hog1

ALSO, I think PC and possibly some Federal laws may mandate that as a convicted felon (having served your due) you deserve the same consideration as the next candidate for a job. In reality, in all but a small percentage of circumstances.....the AIN'T happening

All job applications ask if you been conivicted of a crime or felony so I don't think thats the case. Some businesses won't hire people if they have bad credit or financial problems.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

To be accurate, discrimination is the wrong term. Employers are not permitted to deny opportunity for employment based on race, religion, gender, age, or nationality. So says Amendment 16 of the US Constitution, thereby qualifying as discrimination.

There are no laws against denying employment opportunity against those with criminal records. This is perfectly legal, done all the time, and something I wholeheartedly support.

I support this as well, however I think there's a gray area. For example, if I'm running a bank, I wouldn't hire someone who had a conviction for anything related to theft or financial crimes. However if they were totally qualified but had an arrest for, say, driving with a suspended license or a DWI, I could probably look past it. If every single person with any kind of criminal record was denied employment, the unemployment rate in this country would be through the roof.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

To be accurate, discrimination is the wrong term. Employers are not permitted to deny opportunity for employment based on race, religion, gender, age, or nationality. So says Amendment 16 of the US Constitution, thereby qualifying as discrimination.

There are no laws against denying employment opportunity against those with criminal records. This is perfectly legal, done all the time, and something I wholeheartedly support.

I am not a con law atty but i believe this only applies to gov't, quasi gov't (water, utilities, schools, etc) and private corporations that receive a certain sum of gov't funding.

if i had a small business that did not provide a gov't type service to the public and rec'v no gov't funding i could hire whoever i wanted. look at hooters, if i apply for a job as a waiter i would be denied b/c i am a guy and they are allowed to do that as a totaly private company.

sorry about the rant . . . point is the constitution in this regard only applies and restricts the gov't and gov't type entities. in america you can be as racist as you want on your dime.

go skins!!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

I am not a con law atty but i believe this only applies to gov't, quasi gov't (water, utilities, schools, etc) and private corporations that receive a certain sum of gov't funding.

if i had a small business that did not provide a gov't type service to the public and rec'v no gov't funding i could hire whoever i wanted. look at hooters, if i apply for a job as a waiter i would be denied b/c i am a guy and they are allowed to do that as a totaly private company.

sorry about the rant . . . point is the constitution in this regard only applies and restricts the gov't and gov't type entities. in america you can be as racist as you want on your dime.

go skins!!

I own a small business and Sneed10 is correct and it does apply to the private market.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

I am not a con law atty but i believe this only applies to gov't, quasi gov't (water, utilities, schools, etc) and private corporations that receive a certain sum of gov't funding.

if i had a small business that did not provide a gov't type service to the public and rec'v no gov't funding i could hire whoever i wanted. look at hooters, if i apply for a job as a waiter i would be denied b/c i am a guy and they are allowed to do that as a totaly private company.

sorry about the rant . . . point is the constitution in this regard only applies and restricts the gov't and gov't type entities. in america you can be as racist as you want on your dime.

go skins!!

Incorrect, it applies to every single employer in the United States. If someone can prove you're guilty of this, you get in a rather large amount of trouble.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by dmek25

as a football player, yes. as a human being, no. that's up to ownership to decide. and ss33, your company discriminates against people with a record. i personally dont want thugs on the team i root for

To echo what Schneed said. In my "day" job for an IT/telecom no way would I hire a convicted felon, too much potential risk and we can find much better candidates for positions. At my small restaurant, same thing, why take the risk? Do I want a convicted felon with access to my cash register or someone with a clean record?

Vick decided to murder animals for fun, no one forced him to. I have absolutely no sympathy for him.