Current Redskins Salary Cap Status - 2009

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

We might get multiple picks for Santana but they would not equal the value of more than a 3rd rounder. No one's going to give us a 2nd for Moss.

But with a 2nd rounder, we could trade our 1st round for a 2nd and a 4th round. I still think we could get a team to give us a 2nd rounder.

[SmootSmack]

I like Moss, but I think it'd be great for the franchise if he's traded. It would likely be an unpopular move both with fans and teammates (especially #26) but it's probably in the best interests of the team long-term. And I think it'd be a great sign if Snyder, Cerrato and Co. were willing to show that they can make the unpopular move and not worry about the fan reaction.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

I'd like to see them cut Taylor, Springs, and Washington to start -- they just can't be relied on to play through an entire season.

Then, I'd like to sign Dansby, and get all the linemen we can in the draft. If we have room left over, a possession WR would be nice (somebody like Muhammed -- quiet, cheap and effective).

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Trade Rumors only - Hog Heaven

According to the link above, the redskins are rumored to be attempted to trade the following players:

• Carlos Rogers - 2nd Round Pick
• Santana Moss - 2nd Round Pick
• Kedrick Golston - 3rd Round Pick
• Ladell Betts - 4th/5th Round Pick

The site also speculates that the Skins will attempt to trade Chris Horton for a 2nd Rounder. I actually like that move alot. LL can move back to SS and springs can move to FS/NB for a few years. I also like the idea of keeping Carlos, trading Moss, Golston, and Betts - if we could get a 4th rounder for him, which is doubtful. I personally think there is a chance we secretly shop Jason Campbell, too. If Vinny and Zorn are worried about their jobs, they may be more comfortable with a proven WCO vet starting next year.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Trade Rumors only - Hog Heaven

According to the link above, the redskins are rumored to be attempted to trade the following players:

• Carlos Rogers - 2nd Round Pick
• Santana Moss - 2nd Round Pick
• Kedrick Golston - 3rd Round Pick
• Ladell Betts - 4th/5th Round Pick

The site also speculates that the Skins will attempt to trade Chris Horton for a 2nd Rounder. I actually like that move alot. LL can move back to SS and springs can move to FS/NB for a few years. I also like the idea of keeping Carlos, trading Moss, Golston, and Betts - if we could get a 4th rounder for him, which is doubtful. I personally think there is a chance we secretly shop Jason Campbell, too. If Vinny and Zorn are worried about their jobs, they may be more comfortable with a proven WCO vet starting next year.

For what it's worth, I wrote that yesterday.

Horton is just me speculating, based on what I know of the Redskins desires and historical trends. I've heard nothing on him. The others are simply players who we know they are shopping, but in the case of Golston and Betts, what I believe they could reasonably get for them.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

For what it's worth, I wrote that yesterday.

Horton is just me speculating, based on what I know of the Redskins desires and historical trends. I've heard nothing on him. The others are simply players who we know they are shopping, but in the case of Golston and Betts, what I believe they could reasonably get for them.

it was an excellent writeup! i actually speculated on Horton for a first or 2nd rounder in extremeskins and was ostracized. personally, i think its a good idea for the same reasons you mentioned. id much rather trade Horton than Rogers. If we can flip a 7th rounder into a 2nd rounder, we would be fools not to do it, especially considering the depth we have at safety and the fact that Landry should be playing SS, not FS, to maximize his talents. Horton is worth more to us in a trade than he is on the field, because of our depth there.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

it was an excellent writeup! i actually speculated on Horton for a first or 2nd rounder in extremeskins and was ostracized. personally, i think its a good idea for the same reasons you mentioned. id much rather trade Horton than Rogers. If we can flip a 7th rounder into a 2nd rounder, we would be fools not to do it, especially considering the depth we have at safety and the fact that Landry should be playing SS, not FS, to maximize his talents. Horton is worth more to us in a trade than he is on the field, because of our depth there.

What depth at safety are you talking about?
We finally have two safety that do not have any glaring weakness' Landry and Horton. That is it. Nobody else. No depth...nothing. Please do not say Doughty, he is not the answer. Kareem Moore is not there yet. Micheal Green no.
I disagree that Landry is better suited for SS. He has been a FS his entire career except his rookie year when we had Sean Taylor at FS, so Landry was played at SS. Horton is the big hitting SS every team wants.
Why him trade away for a draft pick. That would leave a hole at safety.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Trade Rumors only - Hog Heaven

According to the link above, the redskins are rumored to be attempted to trade the following players:

• Carlos Rogers - 2nd Round Pick
• Santana Moss - 2nd Round Pick
• Kedrick Golston - 3rd Round Pick
• Ladell Betts - 4th/5th Round Pick

The site also speculates that the Skins will attempt to trade Chris Horton for a 2nd Rounder. I actually like that move alot. LL can move back to SS and springs can move to FS/NB for a few years. I also like the idea of keeping Carlos, trading Moss, Golston, and Betts - if we could get a 4th rounder for him, which is doubtful. I personally think there is a chance we secretly shop Jason Campbell, too. If Vinny and Zorn are worried about their jobs, they may be more comfortable with a proven WCO vet starting next year.

This is a really bad idea.
1) Springs is more than skilled enough to be a FS, but the problems is he has problems staying healthy at CB. He will never stay healthy at the very physical/high contact FS position. FS is a very high contact position compared to CB.
2) Why trade a young, cheap and proven player for a draft pick that given our drafting ability, will end up being a bench player.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

This is a really bad idea.
1) Springs is more than skilled enough to be a FS, but the problems is he has problems staying healthy at CB. He will never stay healthy at the very physical/high contact FS position. FS is a very high contact position compared to CB.
2) Why trade a young, cheap and proven player for a draft pick that given our drafting ability, will end up being a bench player.

because horton will be a bench player next year. blache is moving landry back to strong safety. we might as well get some value for him. hes more valuable to us in a trade for a 2nd round pick than he is to us sitting on the bench or playing in cobra formations.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

because horton will be a bench player next year. blache is moving landry back to strong safety. we might as well get some value for him. hes more valuable to us in a trade for a 2nd round pick than he is to us sitting on the bench or playing in cobra formations.

Where are you getting this info?? Who is going to play FS?

[dmek25]

we cant keep wanting to trade the so called stars of the team. people complain about our receivers all of the time. so what do we want to do? trade are only legit receiver, thus creating another hole to fill. come on people, wise up

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by dmek25

we cant keep wanting to trade the so called stars of the team. people complain about our receivers all of the time. so what do we want to do? trade are only legit receiver, thus creating another hole to fill. come on people, wise up

I think the idea is that we arent going to be "contenders" for 2-3 more years - at which point Moss would be gone anyways. A smart GM would trade Moss now, realizing we need to get younger players who will be able to contribute to this team in the future - the idea is to lay the fondation for a dynsaty that can start in 2-3 years. Keeping Moss here would just perpetuate the cycle of mediocrity.

[MTK]

You can still lay a foundation without trading away key veterans like Moss. Thomas and Kelly will both have the chance to compete for a starting job next year, and both should be ready to contribute much more than they did this year.

Trading away Moss would leave this WR corps in world of hurt for the short term. I understand the rationale for at least shopping Moss, but I don't like the idea of leaving such a big void in the WR corps.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Trading away Moss would leave this WR corps in world of hurt for the short term. I understand the rationale for at least shopping Moss, but I don't like the idea of leaving such a big void in the WR corps.

I know in terms of giving Jason Campbell the best chance to succeed, trading Moss is a tough pill to swallow in the short term, but there are cost-effective receivers in free agency every year that could bridge the gap to Kelly, and allow us to have our cake (the second round pick), and eat it too (still have a breakout year for Campbell).

But of course, you have to be careful not to screw Zorn over in the process: "Hey, we're taking away your best WR and CB, now go make the playoffs or your fired" style.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I know in terms of giving Jason Campbell the best chance to succeed, trading Moss is a tough pill to swallow in the short term, but there are cost-effective receivers in free agency every year that could bridge the gap to Kelly, and allow us to have our cake (the second round pick), and eat it too (still have a breakout year for Campbell).

But of course, you have to be careful not to screw Zorn over in the process: "Hey, we're taking away your best WR and CB, now go make the playoffs or your fired" style.

I would hope Zorn would have a say in something as significant as letting a #1 WR go.

Maybe we could trade Moss and sign Houshmandzadeh? Probably wishful thinking as Cincy would be pretty dumb to let him get away. I'm not sure there are any other quality #1 types out there this year.