If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by wordsmithgk

I have redskins fatigue. I am so tired of them not having any sort of plan to build a team. They just blow with the wind. I do not want Jay Cutler. He is just another team's problem that will come here, play two years and offer the team little for what they give up for him and pay him. I do believe that if this happens my interest and passion for this team will be dealt a blow that I do not know it will recover from. I am just so tired of the constant change and lack of organization that this dysfunctional ownership exhibits. People say allSnyder wants to do is win and he is willing to spend the money to do that. He has proven he will spend money but he does so without rhyme or reason and I am convinced if this happens this team will never win with this reactionary approach to building a winning team will never build a winning team. I have Redskins fatigue and may well lose interst and passion for a team I have loved since I knew what football was.

I feel your pain. I started a thread awhile back asking if folks here thought the Redskins FO has a plan. At that time, I questioned the FO's ability to make a plan and stick to it. I've changed my mind on that.

I now think that Vinny has a plan and I think that Zorn is on board with that plan. I also have come to believe that Dan Snyder becomes star-struck and steps in anytime he feels like it to blow up that plan in order to acquire big-name players who become available. In short, I suspect that the problem with Vinny's plan is his inability to control Dan Snyder.

Here's the really bad news for me. Dan Snyder is the owner. He's going to get his way and his way is to play fantasy football with the Redskins. The really bad news for me is that Snyder is much younger than I am.

I am a lifelong Redskins fan, D.C. born and raised. I might think about switching my alliegiance but I know I could never wear another NFL team's colors. I'd bet you feel the same way. It looks like we were born to suffer.

[jredskins1972]

Campbell is scared to throw the ball down field. Lets be honest he is a stop gap filler. Remember he is not even the quarterback that got us to the playoffs, Collins is. He is not worth the risk or another team would be trying to aquire him.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I feel your pain. I started a thread awhile back asking if folks here thought the Redskins FO has a plan. At that time, I questioned the FO's ability to make a plan and stick to it. I've changed my mind on that.

I now think that Vinny has a plan and I think that Zorn is on board with that plan. I also have come to believe that Dan Snyder becomes star-struck and steps in anytime he feels like it to blow up that plan in order to acquire big-name players who become available. In short, I suspect that the problem with Vinny's plan is his inability to control Dan Snyder.

Here's the really bad news for me. Dan Snyder is the owner. He's going to get his way and his way is to play fantasy football with the Redskins. The really bad news for me is that Snyder is much younger than I am.

I am a lifelong Redskins fan, D.C. born and raised. I might think about switching my alliegiance but I know I could never wear another NFL team's colors. I'd bet you feel the same way. It looks like we were born to suffer.

The funny thing, I defended the FO in that thread, and now my sentiments match what you just said almost to the T. I agree about Redskins Fatigue, and really just want us to use our 13th round pick for the best available, and get to the regular season.

The draft is 25 days or so away, I can only hope some team steps in and saves Danny from himself.

[irish]

Originally Posted by jredskins1972

Campbell is scared to throw the ball down field. Lets be honest he is a stop gap filler. Remember he is not even the quarterback that got us to the playoffs, Collins is. He is not worth the risk or another team would be trying to aquire him.

I agree 100%.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by jredskins1972

Campbell is scared to throw the ball down field. Lets be honest he is a stop gap filler. Remember he is not even the quarterback that got us to the playoffs, Collins is. He is not worth the risk or another team would be trying to aquire him.

Ya know this isn't even about Campbells ability anymore, it is about letting a system and plan stay in place long enough for it to bear fruits. Baltimore won the SB with Trent Dilfer!!! Joe Gibbs never had an amazing qb (no disrespect to JoeyT) and Marino and the Buffalo Bills qb, both elite level qbs NEVER got a SB ring. If Cutler comes in, it simply means Zorn's job is now on the line (who would NOT be speculating about Shanahan especially if we go 8-8 or so). The offense would have yet another new issue, and all the other issues that arise.

God I hope this doesn't happen. But even so, it would seem the belief that DS had learned from Gibbs was sadly misplaced.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jredskins1972

Campbell is scared to throw the ball down field. Lets be honest he is a stop gap filler. Remember he is not even the quarterback that got us to the playoffs, Collins is. He is not worth the risk or another team would be trying to aquire him.

There seems to be another QB in this thread with the same shortcomings that people want to throw away the entire next two drafts on. You'd think they'd notice his shortcomings or something, but apparently, he's different so he must be better.

[BleedBurgundy]

Haven't read through the entire thread, but in response to the OP:

I think that if #17 steps it up this year, has a true quality season then you have to extend him. I'd say we'd know pretty definitively by week 10. If not, see if there is any truth to the Colt Brennan legend. I would definitely not extend him until we see what we have. JC has already shown that he's not going to let all of this nonsense affect him, so why should we rush to reassure someone who doesn't need that reassurance?

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Ya know this isn't even about Campbells ability anymore, it is about letting a system and plan stay in place long enough for it to bear fruits. Baltimore won the SB with Trent Dilfer!!! Joe Gibbs never had an amazing qb (no disrespect to JoeyT) and Marino and the Buffalo Bills qb, both elite level qbs NEVER got a SB ring. If Cutler comes in, it simply means Zorn's job is now on the line (who would NOT be speculating about Shanahan especially if we go 8-8 or so). The offense would have yet another new issue, and all the other issues that arise.

God I hope this doesn't happen. But even so, it would seem the belief that DS had learned from Gibbs was sadly misplaced.

Good Point. I totally agree with you on both your post. Another example is the Giants won the Superbowl with E. Manning. He isn't a great QB. Big Ben had the worse season of his career this year and the Steelers still won a superbowl.

I don't see the offense becoming more explosive just by bring in Culter and not upgrading in other areas. I still don't see the team winning more than nine gamesjust by bringing in Culter. I don't even see the skins making it to the playoff just by changing QB and not making changes elsewhere.

Some skin fans act like the teams is only a QB away from winning a superbowl.
Collins had like a 102 rating in 07 season and still couldn't get the skins past the first round of the playoffs. So why do some skins fan think by just getting a new QB all of sudden the skins will win a superbowl.

I not a fan of giving up draft picks just to get Culter. I rather keep Campbell and use draft picks to upgrade other areas of need. I rather use the draft picks to upgrade other positions and let Campbell finish out next season and if FO isn't satisfied with his performance then let him go and pursue a QB in '10.


The skins can win with Campbell. He may not be the next Brady, P. Manning or Marino, but so what. Plenty of teams don't have a those type of QBs, but still consistently make the playoffs and even win Superbowls. He isn't awful. Everyone complaining about he can't read defense and has a slow release. He was doing a pretty good job when they were 6-2. I don't think the 2-6 ending was due to Campbell not all of sudden being able to read defense. I think it had to do with his number #1 wideout being injured and not been able to get open; both R&Bs being injured; Samuels being injured; and playcalling become predicatable. Btw I also don't see where Campbell release is slower than most starting QBs in the league.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by wordsmithgk

I have redskins fatigue. I am so tired of them not having any sort of plan to build a team. They just blow with the wind. I do not want Jay Cutler. He is just another team's problem that will come here, play two years and offer the team little for what they give up for him and pay him. I do believe that if this happens my interest and passion for this team will be dealt a blow that I do not know it will recover from. I am just so tired of the constant change and lack of organization that this dysfunctional ownership exhibits. People say allSnyder wants to do is win and he is willing to spend the money to do that. He has proven he will spend money but he does so without rhyme or reason and I am convinced if this happens this team will never win with this reactionary approach to building a winning team will never build a winning team. I have Redskins fatigue and may well lose interst and passion for a team I have loved since I knew what football was.

I feel ya. I usually look at our big offseason moves & kinda shrug & throw my hands up if I don't like them. This seems different, in part because it's the qb & because I've always been a Campbell fan. While he may never be a perennial pro bowler, he is solid & can win if given time. He's also a good role model for the franchise, someone that 20 years from now we would all love to cheer for when they put his name up in the stadium.

If this Cutler deal happens it will almost seem personal to me, as if DS really doesn't care about what we think. It will totally affirm all of the stereotypical things that have been said about him.

This deal is more about the deal itself than it is about the long-term chances of the franchise being successful on the field.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Jason Campbell is not a crybaby like Cutler.

Which is EXACTLY why I hate the idea of swapping Campbell out for Cutler.

If we build up the line, JC will be a pro-bowler and have a great career with us.

Campbell worked VERY hard on his own to learn the system last year and played very well until the line completely broke down.

To those who criticize Campbell's and the team's second-half last year, are we all forgetting that Denver had an even more impressive crash and burn, from leading the (easy, noncompetitive) division by a large margin to losing the division and missing the playoffs entirely...LED BY CUTLER. Yes, Denver also had line problems which probably led to the RB problems...plus a horrible defense, but hey, if we're going to blame Campbell for us missing the playoffs, we better also blame Cutler.




I believe Denver and Philly should swap QBs. Solving two problems at once. Both have big contracts, so financially it should work out evenly.

McNabb for Cutler

Luckily, there are 10-12 OTHER teams pursuing Cutler and I bet all of them have more draft picks than us...so I'm praying someone else throws Denver a better offer than us.

[persepolis]

Here's my take on it:

Campbell is a good quarterback, the problem isn't with Campbell, the problem begins and ends with the O-line.

You can take a superbowl MVP like Eli Manning (albeit, he isn't a top QB, but still, considered a good one) and put behind our line, and he'll be getting sacked so hard that Payton will hurt. I'd even go far enough to say that with an elite QB like Tom Brady our O-line would make him a weak QB. He'll be out for another season with injuries.

The fact of the matter is Campbell has some great strengths that can't be used to their full potential, he can scramble really well, but it's because he's forced to. If he had a good line protecting him, and was able to bust out a scramble in situations he chose instead of was forced into, I could see him being a great QB.

So bottom line, extend him, don't extend him, whatever. As long as our line sucks any QB back there will have issues.

/Take that for whats it's worth, I'm a new user, so who cares, right?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by persepolis

Here's my take on it:

Campbell is a good quarterback, the problem isn't with Campbell, the problem begins and ends with the O-line.

You can take a superbowl MVP like Eli Manning (albeit, he isn't a top QB, but still, considered a good one) and put behind our line, and he'll be getting sacked so hard that Payton will hurt. I'd even go far enough to say that with an elite QB like Tom Brady our O-line would make him a weak QB. He'll be out for another season with injuries.

The fact of the matter is Campbell has some great strengths that can't be used to their full potential, he can scramble really well, but it's because he's forced to. If he had a good line protecting him, and was able to bust out a scramble in situations he chose instead of was forced into, I could see him being a great QB.

So bottom line, extend him, don't extend him, whatever. As long as our line sucks any QB back there will have issues.

/Take that for whats it's worth, I'm a new user, so who cares, right?

Good first post. I think you make a good point here, at the end of last season, it probably wouldn't have mattered who we had a Q, they would have been on their ass/scrambling too much to be effective. However, some people think that if you get a new QB all of those issues magically go away.

[Jay Schroeder]

Originally Posted by jredskins1972

Campbell is scared to throw the ball down field. Lets be honest he is a stop gap filler. Remember he is not even the quarterback that got us to the playoffs, Collins is. He is not worth the risk or another team would be trying to aquire him.

agreed

[persepolis]

Originally Posted by jdlea

However, some people think that if you get a new QB all of those issues magically go away.

Totally. And unfortunately for us, people like that OWN the redskins.

The sad fact is that while the problem is our Offensive line, the argument can be made that a good quarterback should overcome that problem and just kick ass. (I think that's asking to much. People like that are like the Superfans of the skins.. dika vs the whole leauge... no contest.)

Using that lame claim, supports of switching qb's press on because drafting/trading/switching around QB's is sexier that doing the same with O-lineman. When's the last time you were playing madden and screamed out, "Oh! In your face! Rabach is sick!"

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Buster

If we build up the line, JC will be a pro-bowler and have a great career with us.

I am against trading for Cutler and I'm OK with JC at QB. Nevertheless, there is NFW JC will ever be a Pro-Bowler. Good, yes. Great, no.