If we don't get Cutler, should we extend Campbell?

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Ya know this isn't even about Campbells ability anymore, it is about letting a system and plan stay in place long enough for it to bear fruits. Baltimore won the SB with Trent Dilfer!!! Joe Gibbs never had an amazing qb (no disrespect to JoeyT) and Marino and the Buffalo Bills qb, both elite level qbs NEVER got a SB ring. If Cutler comes in, it simply means Zorn's job is now on the line (who would NOT be speculating about Shanahan especially if we go 8-8 or so). The offense would have yet another new issue, and all the other issues that arise.

God I hope this doesn't happen. But even so, it would seem the belief that DS had learned from Gibbs was sadly misplaced.

Good Point. I totally agree with you on both your post. Another example is the Giants won the Superbowl with E. Manning. He isn't a great QB. Big Ben had the worse season of his career this year and the Steelers still won a superbowl.

I don't see the offense becoming more explosive just by bring in Culter and not upgrading in other areas. I still don't see the team winning more than nine gamesjust by bringing in Culter. I don't even see the skins making it to the playoff just by changing QB and not making changes elsewhere.

Some skin fans act like the teams is only a QB away from winning a superbowl.
Collins had like a 102 rating in 07 season and still couldn't get the skins past the first round of the playoffs. So why do some skins fan think by just getting a new QB all of sudden the skins will win a superbowl.

I not a fan of giving up draft picks just to get Culter. I rather keep Campbell and use draft picks to upgrade other areas of need. I rather use the draft picks to upgrade other positions and let Campbell finish out next season and if FO isn't satisfied with his performance then let him go and pursue a QB in '10.


The skins can win with Campbell. He may not be the next Brady, P. Manning or Marino, but so what. Plenty of teams don't have a those type of QBs, but still consistently make the playoffs and even win Superbowls. He isn't awful. Everyone complaining about he can't read defense and has a slow release. He was doing a pretty good job when they were 6-2. I don't think the 2-6 ending was due to Campbell not all of sudden being able to read defense. I think it had to do with his number #1 wideout being injured and not been able to get open; both R&Bs being injured; Samuels being injured; and playcalling become predicatable. Btw I also don't see where Campbell release is slower than most starting QBs in the league.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jredskins1972

Campbell is scared to throw the ball down field. Lets be honest he is a stop gap filler. Remember he is not even the quarterback that got us to the playoffs, Collins is. He is not worth the risk or another team would be trying to aquire him.

There seems to be another QB in this thread with the same shortcomings that people want to throw away the entire next two drafts on. You'd think they'd notice his shortcomings or something, but apparently, he's different so he must be better.

[Jay Schroeder]

Originally Posted by jredskins1972

Campbell is scared to throw the ball down field. Lets be honest he is a stop gap filler. Remember he is not even the quarterback that got us to the playoffs, Collins is. He is not worth the risk or another team would be trying to aquire him.

agreed

[BleedBurgundy]

Haven't read through the entire thread, but in response to the OP:

I think that if #17 steps it up this year, has a true quality season then you have to extend him. I'd say we'd know pretty definitively by week 10. If not, see if there is any truth to the Colt Brennan legend. I would definitely not extend him until we see what we have. JC has already shown that he's not going to let all of this nonsense affect him, so why should we rush to reassure someone who doesn't need that reassurance?

[persepolis]

Here's my take on it:

Campbell is a good quarterback, the problem isn't with Campbell, the problem begins and ends with the O-line.

You can take a superbowl MVP like Eli Manning (albeit, he isn't a top QB, but still, considered a good one) and put behind our line, and he'll be getting sacked so hard that Payton will hurt. I'd even go far enough to say that with an elite QB like Tom Brady our O-line would make him a weak QB. He'll be out for another season with injuries.

The fact of the matter is Campbell has some great strengths that can't be used to their full potential, he can scramble really well, but it's because he's forced to. If he had a good line protecting him, and was able to bust out a scramble in situations he chose instead of was forced into, I could see him being a great QB.

So bottom line, extend him, don't extend him, whatever. As long as our line sucks any QB back there will have issues.

/Take that for whats it's worth, I'm a new user, so who cares, right?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by persepolis

Here's my take on it:

Campbell is a good quarterback, the problem isn't with Campbell, the problem begins and ends with the O-line.

You can take a superbowl MVP like Eli Manning (albeit, he isn't a top QB, but still, considered a good one) and put behind our line, and he'll be getting sacked so hard that Payton will hurt. I'd even go far enough to say that with an elite QB like Tom Brady our O-line would make him a weak QB. He'll be out for another season with injuries.

The fact of the matter is Campbell has some great strengths that can't be used to their full potential, he can scramble really well, but it's because he's forced to. If he had a good line protecting him, and was able to bust out a scramble in situations he chose instead of was forced into, I could see him being a great QB.

So bottom line, extend him, don't extend him, whatever. As long as our line sucks any QB back there will have issues.

/Take that for whats it's worth, I'm a new user, so who cares, right?

Good first post. I think you make a good point here, at the end of last season, it probably wouldn't have mattered who we had a Q, they would have been on their ass/scrambling too much to be effective. However, some people think that if you get a new QB all of those issues magically go away.

[persepolis]

Originally Posted by jdlea

However, some people think that if you get a new QB all of those issues magically go away.

Totally. And unfortunately for us, people like that OWN the redskins.

The sad fact is that while the problem is our Offensive line, the argument can be made that a good quarterback should overcome that problem and just kick ass. (I think that's asking to much. People like that are like the Superfans of the skins.. dika vs the whole leauge... no contest.)

Using that lame claim, supports of switching qb's press on because drafting/trading/switching around QB's is sexier that doing the same with O-lineman. When's the last time you were playing madden and screamed out, "Oh! In your face! Rabach is sick!"

[RedskinPete]

I say a big no on extending JC because he has done little to get one. He is soso at best. Now if he burns up the league then he is going to make the Skins pay be the odds are that will not happen.

[tryfuhl]

Why would you extend Campbell if we haven't already? If we thought that he was worth extending we wouldn't be looking at Cutler, obviously. If we don't change QBs this year there's a very good chance we will next, unless Campbell plays lights out all year long.

[jsarno]

Most of us had high expectations of Campbell going into last year, and he showed glimpses of greatness. Yes, he had his bad days, but as most of us pointed out already, that was due to a large number of factors including oline and coaching.
So I get the Campbell for Jay Cutler trade rumors cause people want better than what they have, problem is, not sure Cutler is indeed better, or a product of a MUCH MORE wide open offense. (note the ints) Although that is a comment for another thread.
My biggest beef is the amount of "Redskins to trade up to get QB in draft" suggesting Sanchez. And of course those on here that don't think a lick of Campbell. What the hell happened people? When all of sudden did Campbell go from being a "promising qb with limitless potential", to a bum that we need to replace or run out of town on a rail?

[Monkeydad]

When people on the internet said so, I guess.

I remember when people on the internet were Patrick Ramsey fans.

[RedTempleSkin]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Most of us had high expectations of Campbell going into last year, and he showed glimpses of greatness. Yes, he had his bad days, but as most of us pointed out already, that was due to a large number of factors including oline and coaching.
So I get the Campbell for Jay Cutler trade rumors cause people want better than what they have, problem is, not sure Cutler is indeed better, or a product of a MUCH MORE wide open offense. (note the ints) Although that is a comment for another thread.
My biggest beef is the amount of "Redskins to trade up to get QB in draft" suggesting Sanchez. And of course those on here that don't think a lick of Campbell. What the hell happened people? When all of sudden did Campbell go from being a "promising qb with limitless potential", to a bum that we need to replace or run out of town on a rail?

Product of the offense and the AFC west.

[Daseal]

RedTempleSkin -- You mean a product of virtually the same offense we run here in DC? Oh what a shame.

No one is calling Jason Campbell trash. Jason Campbell is an okay QB in the NFL. He's a serviceable starter -- but he's not exactly a franchise QB. I think, as Redskins fans, we often end up over valuing our players. Every player that takes a snap in the NFL has the potential to be great, and often shows glimpses. But it really comes down to performance. While in football everyone must act as a cohesive unit, responsible players are also very responsible for their play.

For instance, Jason Campbell gets sacked a lot. Part of this responsibility falls on the offensive line. Part of it also falls on Campbell. He's always trying to make a play, thus sometimes takes the big hit. It's a trade off. No one is calling Jason Campbell a bum, but when you compare him to a QB with the stature of Cutler, Jason Campbell is simply in a class below.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by Daseal

RedTempleSkin -- You mean a product of virtually the same offense we run here in DC? Oh what a shame.

No one is calling Jason Campbell trash. Jason Campbell is an okay QB in the NFL. He's a serviceable starter -- but he's not exactly a franchise QB. I think, as Redskins fans, we often end up over valuing our players. Every player that takes a snap in the NFL has the potential to be great, and often shows glimpses. But it really comes down to performance. While in football everyone must act as a cohesive unit, responsible players are also very responsible for their play.

For instance, Jason Campbell gets sacked a lot. Part of this responsibility falls on the offensive line. Part of it also falls on Campbell. He's always trying to make a play, thus sometimes takes the big hit. It's a trade off. No one is calling Jason Campbell a bum, but when you compare him to a QB with the stature of Cutler, Jason Campbell is simply in a class below.

Look at their stats last year, now compare the fact that Campbell is playing in a brand new system that has taken other greats (Young, Favre etc. years to learn) and Cutler has been playing in the same system for a few years now. They have next to identical quarterback ratings, Cutler threw for a 1000 more yards on the back of 100 more passes attempted. However, he was two and a half times more likely to throw an interception compared to Campbell. Now I concede that he also doubled up the number of touchdowns that JC had but again, this is comparing a player who is completely comfortable to someone who is brand new in the system. Finally, throw in the fact that JC is constantly rumored to be on the trading block, about to be replaced etc. and all you hear is he is working hard and wants to lead the team to a superbowl. Denver's gm discusses the possibility of replacing Cutler and he bitches and whines his way out of town...when you think franchise quarterback, what kind of attitude do you want, the first or the latter?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Daseal

RedTempleSkin -- You mean a product of virtually the same offense we run here in DC? Oh what a shame.

No one is calling Jason Campbell trash. Jason Campbell is an okay QB in the NFL. He's a serviceable starter -- but he's not exactly a franchise QB. I think, as Redskins fans, we often end up over valuing our players. Every player that takes a snap in the NFL has the potential to be great, and often shows glimpses. But it really comes down to performance. While in football everyone must act as a cohesive unit, responsible players are also very responsible for their play.

For instance, Jason Campbell gets sacked a lot. Part of this responsibility falls on the offensive line. Part of it also falls on Campbell. He's always trying to make a play, thus sometimes takes the big hit. It's a trade off. No one is calling Jason Campbell a bum, but when you compare him to a QB with the stature of Cutler, Jason Campbell is simply in a class below.

We haven't really given Campbell the tools he has needed to succeed. Giving him new systems / new coaches, small WR's, a banged up Oline, and worst of all, no real leash seems to be unfair. How do we know he isn't as good or better than Jay Cutler? Keep in mind people around the league were ready to trash Cutler until they found out he was a diabetic and just needed to control his insulin.
When people are ready to ship our starting QB off and ready to draft a kid to replace him they are basically saying he is a bum. I understand your points, I can see the lure of Cutler, but I am just not sure this is the answer...especially considering we would be taking a HIT to do so.