Obama's speech to students today

[MTK]

I was clarifying, not changing.

I'm glad you don't see color, unfortunately there are many out there that still do.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I was clarifying, not changing.

I'm glad you don't see color, unfortunately there are many out there that still do.

Well it clear the left does because they are the ones who are always bringing up race.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well it clear the left does because they are the ones who are always bringing up race.

And the right never does?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

And the right never does?

Well if you go by just what we see here in post I'd say 95% of race comments come from people here who seem to lean to the left. Just look at the lady (sorry forgot her name) just appointed to the supreme court the Dems. called alot of people who apposed her racist. Then when Clarence Thomas deal went down I cannot recall the right using the race card. Thats just two quick examples.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well if you go by just what we see here in post I'd say 95% of race comments come from people here who seem to lean to the left. Just look at the lady (sorry forgot her name) just appointed to the supreme court the Dems. called alot of people who apposed her racist. Then when Clarence Thomas deal went down I cannot recall the right using the race card. Thats just two quick examples.

he was nominated by Pres Bush ( a republican) that's why. how many people have you heard say i want my country back? to me, a direct reference to racism. i agree, its still around. but alot of Americans are becoming less and less tolerant of seeing, or hearing it. its just incognito more

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well it clear the left does because they are the ones who are always bringing up race.

Bringing up race -- in essence, talking about race -- doesn't make you a racist any more than talking about spaceships makes you an astronaut.

We're so PC nowadays people don't want to talk about race. I think it would do us some good to talk about it more.

[724Skinsfan]

Okay, some race plays itself in people's view of our President, sure.

Anyway, the speech was great, very motivational. I think every now and then you have to tell kids that "this is your life, do something about it. Don't wait for the pity party handout because you being dealt a bad hand." Well done, President. This is the kind of stuff (character building, self-reliance, accountability, etc) that will get our nation back on track.

[over the mountain]

a guy asked my girl how she feels about having a "gray" baby. no joke, he said it with a straight face with all sincerity and this guy is a local at our bar, me and my girl both drank with him a handful of times so this isnt some random guy making an off hand comments (which we get from both black and white people evenly) but a serious question.

needless to say, my girl gets mad on the inside, we leave and I hear her rant about it for the rest of the night.

go skins!!

[CRedskinsRule]

i qualified my earlier remarks, I know many older Americans still have the racism background in their lives. If you want personal stories... My 2 best friends in Jr/Sr High, 1 black and one a Jew. My dad wouldn't let my black friend come to my house, and had a conniption when I brought my jewish friend(even he wasn't practicing - found out a lot later he was gay glad my dad didn't know that part) with the family on a trip to Colorado. He has mellowed alot with age, but you know it's still there. But I'm not. None of my siblings are in any way that I could ever tell, and my kids wouldn't even consider it, as i said. Far more often, in my opinion, racism is claimed when arguments are actually political based or as an excuse for an action which otherwise would be untenable.
As long as a disagreement or poor behavior can be claimed as rascism, rather than just declaring it civiil or uncivil, legal or illegal, both sides prolong the racial undercurrent that should die an ignominious death.
more of my 2cents

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

i qualified my earlier remarks, I know many older Americans still have the racism background in their lives. If you want personal stories... My 2 best friends in Jr/Sr High, 1 black and one a Jew. My dad wouldn't let my black friend come to my house, and had a conniption when I brought my jewish friend(even he wasn't practicing - found out a lot later he was gay glad my dad didn't know that part) with the family on a trip to Colorado. He has mellowed alot with age, but you know it's still there. But I'm not. None of my siblings are in any way that I could ever tell, and my kids wouldn't even consider it, as i said. Far more often, in my opinion, racism is claimed when arguments are actually political based or as an excuse for an action which otherwise would be untenable.
As long as a disagreement or poor behavior can be claimed as rascism, rather than just declaring it civiil or uncivil, legal or illegal, both sides prolong the racial undercurrent that should die an ignominious death.
more of my 2cents

Just to be clear, I didn't tell that story because I thought it applied to you. It was simply a response to the, "hey stop playing the race card," comment. Your post was good -- judge a man based on his character, not his race.

You're right, it's frustrating when people can't disagree without being called racist. However, we all know that disagreement alone is not racist if the reasons are valid and not racial.

By the same token, people should not be criticized when they, "play the race card." Sometimes they're right, and sometimes they're wrong. Either way, it does us more good to bring these issues to the forefront, rather than brush them aside. I'm not saying you're advocating that -- just trying to clarify.

As long as we ignore race, the people with hidden racism remain ignored. Someday, when racism is truly abolished, then we can ignore race. As it is now, most people think racism is already abolished -- with the exception of a few extremists. This is not the case. Most racists do not even know they are racist -- like my dad. Of course, there are degrees of racism. On one hand, there's the guy who tells racist jokes, and on the other there's the skinhead.

Now, I don't want to bash my dad. I love him very much, and like I said earlier he's a reasonable and intelligent guy for the most part. I hope that I got through to him on some level, and he's now seen the error of his ways.

[GMScud]

The other night I was sitting at a bar having a beer, and there was an African American gentlemen sitting next to me. It was right after the whole thing happened with the Oregon RB punching the Boise St guy and getting suspended. It was all over the TV's, and thinking out loud, right after a replay of it, I said, "man, what a moron." The guy chimed in and said, "yeah, he shouldn't have done that." We started talking about the situation, and we both agreed that the Boise St guy should have kept his mouth shut, but LeGarette Blount was dead wrong for punching him. We talked for a bit more, and turns out he is an attorney for a DC firm, and a seemingly smart guy. Okay.

So shortly after my buddy who I was waiting for shows up, right around the same this dude's female friend arrives. So I overhear him a few minutes later emphatically talking to his female friend, "did you see that boy knock the shit out that sorry ass white boy last night??"

I was stunned. I had to leave. I was inches away from confronting this guy, but I decided to let it be. But man. What a fake jerk.

I'm white, but I grew up in Washington, DC. In my experience, racism is just as prevalent on both sides. A close friend of mine a while back was hesitant to invite me over because his parents are "weary of white folks."

It's sad, but it is what it is, from both sides of the coin.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GMScud

The other night I was sitting at a bar having a beer, and there was an African American gentlemen sitting next to me. It was right after the whole thing happened with the Oregon RB punching the Boise St guy and getting suspended. It was all over the TV's, and thinking out loud, right after a replay of it, I said, "man, what a moron." The guy chimed in and said, "yeah, he shouldn't have done that." We started talking about the situation, and we both agreed that the Boise St guy should have kept his mouth shut, but LeGarette Blount was dead wrong for punching him. We talked for a bit more, and turns out he is an attorney for a DC firm, and a seemingly smart guy. Okay.

So shortly after my buddy who I was waiting for shows up, right around the same this dude's female friend arrives. So I overhear him a few minutes later emphatically talking to his female friend, "did you see that boy knock the shit out that sorry ass white boy last night??"

I was stunned. I had to leave. I was inches away from confronting this guy, but I decided to let it be. But man. What a fake jerk.

I'm white, but I grew up in Washington, DC. In my experience, racism is just as prevalent on both sides. A close friend of mine a while back was hesitant to invite me over because his parents are "weary of white folks."

It's sad, but it is what it is, from both sides of the coin.

Wow, that's a racist bitch move.

As for the incident itself I'm fine with the punch especially if the guy taps on your shoulder then on your head and then says "how you like that ass whupping?" Human nature is such that it's susceptible to visceral reactions and action. The real problem I have is with his actions afterward and total lack of control rather than momentary lack of control. He inexplicably embarrassed the Oregon program and as such he should be kicked off the team indefinitely.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by saden1

Wow, that's a racist bitch move.

As for the incident itself I'm fine with the punch especially if the guy taps on your shoulder then on your head and then says "how you like that ass whupping?" Human nature is such that it's susceptible to visceral reactions and action. The real problem I have is with his actions afterward and total lack of control rather than momentary lack of control. He inexplicably embarrassed the Oregon program and as such he should be kicked off the team indefinitely.

saden, you and i are almost always in agreement on alot of the issues. but this statement is a bunch of bullshit. where i come from, this was nothing more then a sucker punch. reaction? come on. if you saw the entire game, it was Blount in the pre game doing the majority of the woofing. if he would have hit me like that, i would have his sorry ass arrested