Should Snyder listen to his players?

53Fan · 10-16-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tootergray34

why do the players love Zorn? I get the comradarie...but losing is losing...how can you endorse someone who isn't winning...nor are his offensive plays resulting in lots of points? I'm totally confused. I can't really blame Rogers for what he said either...kind of true.

Maybe they blame themselves for losing, not Zorn.

BaltimoreSkins · 10-16-2009, 10:14 PM

I think the players are asking for leadership from the FO and I don't fault them for that. They want to know if Zorn is going to be at the end of the season and if not bring in somebody now.

MdBluefinCrab · 10-16-2009, 11:58 PM

I could personally give a rats ass whether he's a nice guy or not. I want an owner who will hire the people that know football and this owner doesn't know football. He's had 10 years to right the ship and he still doesn't get it and probably never will.

KI Skins Fan · 10-17-2009, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MdBluefinCrab

I could personally give a rats ass whether he's a nice guy or not. I want an owner who will hire the people that know football and this owner doesn't know football. He's had 10 years to right the ship and he still doesn't get it and probably never will.

This is the thing that eats at the spirit of Redskins fans. We just don't want to face the possibility that Dan Snyder may never get it and that he may never change the way he is currently running the Redskins.

It seems to many reasonable Redskins fans that it is a virtual certainty that Dan Snyder, who is an intelligent businessman, will one day realize that he has been going about things the wrong way and make changes for the better. Actually, that is more of a belief, an article of faith, among Redskins fans.

On the other hand, it's difficult for many Redskins fans to comprehend and accept that Snyder may never change. It's just too depressing for Redskins fans to think that they could be facing season after season of disappointment under his ownership. Nevertheless, some fans are starting to believe that this might be as good as it gets.

Personally, I'm still hoping that Dan Snyder will hire a highly-qualified GM and take a more hands-off approach, leading to success on the field.

Ruhskins · 10-17-2009, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

This is the thing that eats at the spirit of Redskins fans. We just don't want to face the possibility that Dan Snyder may never get it and that he may never change the way he is currently running the Redskins.

It seems uneasonable to most of us that Dan Snyder, who is an intelligent businessman, will not one day realize that he has been going about things the wrong way. On the other hand, it's just as hard for us to comprehend that he may never change. Nevertheless, some of us are starting to realize that this might be as good as it gets.

I think the funny thing is that a lot of fans are thinking just like Dan Snyder. Your run of the mill fan probably thinks we just need a good QB and thinks things will be fine. They are unwilling to go through losing seasons for the sake of rebuilding (like Baltimore, Atlanta, and maybe San Fran). I also think the sports media in this town has better business reporting the follies of this team and their ownership, than actually challenging the decision made by the team.

KI Skins Fan · 10-17-2009, 04:06 AM

What are you doing up at this hour, Ruhskins?

Skinny Tee · 10-17-2009, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I’ll be honest because I hate seeing it happen there. I will always be biased toward that organization and toward Dan. I played for a number of teams in the league, but I still view myself as a Redskin of sorts. But right now, can it be fixed without Snyder relinquishing some of his power?

And that’s what I’m really asking you, Mr. Snyder, because that’s what I’m hearing from Redskins fans. And now you’re hearing it from me, one of your former players.

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good stuff

You played for teams in the NFL?...on the field?

Am I being gulliable or are you saying that you've played for NFL teams before?

53Fan · 10-17-2009, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

You played for teams in the NFL?...on the field?

Am I being gulliable or are you saying that you've played for NFL teams before?

I think he's quoting Matt Bowen Tee.

Skinny Tee · 10-17-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

I think he's quoting Matt Bowen Tee.

Thanks...I couldn't see the format of what was going on. I thought it was strange that I didn't know a former NFL player was a regular poster on our message board.

This makes more sense...thanks 53.

tryfuhl · 10-17-2009, 06:11 PM

Either that or I'm Matt Bowen

haha j/k, yeah it was a quote, was too lazy to wrap it

skinster · 10-17-2009, 06:22 PM

i dont care if the players love him. He makes poor decisions and doesnt properly prepare the team. Don't endorse someone that you will soon fire. It lowers your credibility

rbanerjee23 · 10-17-2009, 06:51 PM

I am actually kind of surprised and quasi impressed that Snyder hasn't thrown Zorn out on his ass by now. Sure that is a function of there not being anyone who could step into the HC role but you would think that manchild Snyder wouldn't even think it that far through. He is doing the right thing, getting through this season and then in the offseason, get rid of Zorn and rebuild. Hopefully he will stop making personnel decisions like bringing in Hall, Smoot, Archuleta, Lloyd, Randle El, list goes on and on.

GusFrerotte · 10-17-2009, 10:14 PM

Come on now, why would Snyder give a rat's ass what the players think? For the most part, are they playing to their potential? Are they actually earning the ridiculous amount of $$$$$ Snyder is paying them to entertain us? Snyder is a business man, a very shrewd, and successful one at that. He can't lose even if the team sucks and the blame isn't on Snyder or the team. A bunch of it is with the crazyass fans that keep buying season tickets for this never ending soap opera of a football franchise. What is it, a 5 year waiting list? Shoot, all the present season ticket holders could cancel out for 2010 and they all will be replaced ASAP. THE NFL is a business and bieng that, is market driven. When you have people acting irrationally by gobbling up season tickets and merchandise for a bad football team, it obscures normal market proceedings. With the shrinking of the Skins revenue market in the mid 90's with the Ravens and Panthers divying up the once huge Skins TV market share, Snyder pretty much has maximized the profits all he can. You can say that winning the SB would boost sales, but by how much? Thing is Snyder and Jones have found out that keeping their team in a state of chaos keeps interest flowing. They hook the duped fans with new coaches, stud FA acquisitions, etc. Snyder actually outdid Jones in this aspect with bringing Gibbs back, with limited success. Bottom line is these guys know that it is all really nothing more than "bread and circuses" to amuse the masses with, and most of the folks that do attend the games know that deep down as well. That is why you will never have a fan "strike" or mass protests. The reason that is has had some mild success in Detroit with nobody showing up to games is more economic than actual protest.

BaltimoreSkins · 10-17-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by skinster

i dont care if the players love him. He makes poor decisions and doesnt properly prepare the team. Don't endorse someone that you will soon fire. It lowers your credibility

I disagree. I think an effective leader needs to communicate to his employees better, one way or the other.

GusFrerotte · 10-17-2009, 10:23 PM

Snyder doesn't have to listen to anybody. His formula has made the Washington Redskins the most valuable professional sports franchise how many years now? Snyder trades off with his buddy Jones like every other year. Hell the Skins are worth more than Manchester United!!!!!

10-16-2009, 10:14 PM	#62
BaltimoreSkins Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Parkton, MD Posts: 5,758	Re: Should Snyder listen to his players? I think the players are asking for leadership from the FO and I don't fault them for that. They want to know if Zorn is going to be at the end of the season and if not bring in somebody now.

10-16-2009, 11:58 PM	#63
MdBluefinCrab Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: White Plains, Maryland Age: 69 Posts: 56	Re: Should Snyder listen to his players? I could personally give a rats ass whether he's a nice guy or not. I want an owner who will hire the people that know football and this owner doesn't know football. He's had 10 years to right the ship and he still doesn't get it and probably never will. __________________ Bring the Redskins back to Washington!

10-17-2009, 04:06 AM	#66
KI Skins Fan Pro Bowl Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, Forida Posts: 6,399	Re: Should Snyder listen to his players? What are you doing up at this hour, Ruhskins?

10-17-2009, 06:11 PM	#70
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 41 Posts: 12,514	Re: Should Snyder listen to his players? Either that or I'm Matt Bowen haha j/k, yeah it was a quote, was too lazy to wrap it

10-17-2009, 06:22 PM	#71
skinster Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 754	Re: Should Snyder listen to his players? i dont care if the players love him. He makes poor decisions and doesnt properly prepare the team. Don't endorse someone that you will soon fire. It lowers your credibility

10-17-2009, 06:51 PM	#72
rbanerjee23 The Starter Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,440	Re: Should Snyder listen to his players? I am actually kind of surprised and quasi impressed that Snyder hasn't thrown Zorn out on his ass by now. Sure that is a function of there not being anyone who could step into the HC role but you would think that manchild Snyder wouldn't even think it that far through. He is doing the right thing, getting through this season and then in the offseason, get rid of Zorn and rebuild. Hopefully he will stop making personnel decisions like bringing in Hall, Smoot, Archuleta, Lloyd, Randle El, list goes on and on. __________________ "Tough times don't last but tough people do" -Mike Shanahan HTTR

10-17-2009, 10:14 PM	#73
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Should Snyder listen to his players? Come on now, why would Snyder give a rat's ass what the players think? For the most part, are they playing to their potential? Are they actually earning the ridiculous amount of $$$$$ Snyder is paying them to entertain us? Snyder is a business man, a very shrewd, and successful one at that. He can't lose even if the team sucks and the blame isn't on Snyder or the team. A bunch of it is with the crazyass fans that keep buying season tickets for this never ending soap opera of a football franchise. What is it, a 5 year waiting list? Shoot, all the present season ticket holders could cancel out for 2010 and they all will be replaced ASAP. THE NFL is a business and bieng that, is market driven. When you have people acting irrationally by gobbling up season tickets and merchandise for a bad football team, it obscures normal market proceedings. With the shrinking of the Skins revenue market in the mid 90's with the Ravens and Panthers divying up the once huge Skins TV market share, Snyder pretty much has maximized the profits all he can. You can say that winning the SB would boost sales, but by how much? Thing is Snyder and Jones have found out that keeping their team in a state of chaos keeps interest flowing. They hook the duped fans with new coaches, stud FA acquisitions, etc. Snyder actually outdid Jones in this aspect with bringing Gibbs back, with limited success. Bottom line is these guys know that it is all really nothing more than "bread and circuses" to amuse the masses with, and most of the folks that do attend the games know that deep down as well. That is why you will never have a fan "strike" or mass protests. The reason that is has had some mild success in Detroit with nobody showing up to games is more economic than actual protest.

10-17-2009, 10:23 PM	#75
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Should Snyder listen to his players? Snyder doesn't have to listen to anybody. His formula has made the Washington Redskins the most valuable professional sports franchise how many years now? Snyder trades off with his buddy Jones like every other year. Hell the Skins are worth more than Manchester United!!!!!

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