57 Mocks Munched! Suh Consensus No. 1, Bradford for Skins

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by celts32

I am not saying I would take Bradford...but one of the best things about Shanahan is that he has always had good OL's without using high draft picks to build them for the most part. So I don't think it's LT or bust for the skins at #4.

Shanahan also picked Clady with a first rounder. I think taking a top tackle would be a good way to start rebuilding the line.

[GTripp0012]

Remember that the last two expansion franchises started with quarterbacks, and got nothing out of them not because the picks were all that terrible, but because when the QB is the first part, and not part of an existing system, there's nothing to build on, no place to go. And David Carr got to play with Andre Johnson for the better part of four seasons.

It's not that you have to have a pro bowl offensive line to draft a QB, not that you have to spend a top five pick on a receiver first, but you should have SOMETHING. It's my conclusion that the Redskins have a pair of TEs right now, and nothing more but potential prospects and non-prospects.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Remember that the last two expansion franchises started with quarterbacks, and got nothing out of them not because the picks were all that terrible, but because when the QB is the first part, and not part of an existing system, there's nothing to build on, no place to go.

It's not that you have to have a pro bowl offensive line to draft a QB, not that you have to spend a top five pick on a receiver first, but you should have SOMETHING. It's my conclusion that the Redskins have a pair of TEs right now, and nothing more but potential prospects and non-prospects.

I think you can look at it this way, which position would you rather play a rookie? I would always say you play a rookie O linemen, even LT, before a rookie qb. So, if you follow that logic, you draft a qb earlier (as in year, not round) but sit him.

If JC isn't veiwed as the future here, than I think Shanny needs a qb pick this year. Doesn't have to be the 1st round, but would almost have to be this year.

[freddyg12]

Smoot mentioned McClain, LB from bama, the other day. I think Smoot, you said there was some early interest from the skins?

Regardless, just want to remind everyone that the 1st pick is likely not a debate simply of qb v. O line w/the new regime. I'm sure there are some defensive players that they like quite a bit. Seems this draft is tilted to defense in the top players.

If the 1st 3 picks are Clausen, Okung & Berry, I think Suh is too much to pass up. It is not all that unrealistic. That's kind of what I'm hoping for, and that we draft o line in the 2nd & get D. LeFevour in the 3rd via trade or 4th.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Smoot mentioned McClain, LB from bama, the other day. I think Smoot, you said there was some early interest from the skins?

Regardless, just want to remind everyone that the 1st pick is likely not a debate simply of qb v. O line w/the new regime. I'm sure there are some defensive players that they like quite a bit. Seems this draft is tilted to defense in the top players.

If the 1st 3 picks are Clausen, Okung & Berry, I think Suh is too much to pass up. It is not all that unrealistic. That's kind of what I'm hoping for, and that we draft o line in the 2nd & get D. LeFevour in the 3rd via trade or 4th.

No, I just said he could be a sleeper pick. If I said there was interest from the Redskins I didn't mean to

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

No, I just said he could be a sleeper pick. If I said there was interest from the Redskins I didn't mean to

I certainly wasn't quoting you, I just remembered you mentioned him.

Anyway, dude is a beast & I agree w/the sleeper call, especially if the 4-3 system is kept in place. In the pregame last night several teamates talked about how well he quarterbacks the D. Would be a good replacement of Fletcher. Not sure HB Blades is the long term answer at MLB.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I certainly wasn't quoting you, I just remembered you mentioned him.

Anyway, dude is a beast & I agree w/the sleeper call, especially if the 4-3 system is kept in place. In the pregame last night several teamates talked about how well he quarterbacks the D. Would be a good replacement of Fletcher. Not sure HB Blades is the long term answer at MLB.

That would most likely mean a trade down since McLain is not going 4th. You never know. I still think we're in a pretty good position to trade down w/ a team who falls in love w/ Bradford or Clausen.

St Louis...not sure they'll pass on Suh.

[Redpath]

Replace Fletcher? You serious?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by redsk1

That would most likely mean a trade down since McLain is not going 4th. You never know. I still think we're in a pretty good position to trade down w/ a team who falls in love w/ Bradford or Clausen.

St Louis...not sure they'll pass on Suh.

At this point, but after the combine, interviews, workouts, etc. he may be considered worth the #4. If you want a LB to call signals & make plays, it's worth using a high pick IMO.

[GTripp0012]

I wanted to go through and declare the best QB picked in the first round in every three year window going back to 1991.

1991-1993
Brett Favre

1992-1994
Drew Bledsoe

1993-1995
Steve McNair

1994-1996
Steve McNair

1995-1997
Steve McNair

1996-1998
Peyton Manning

1997-1999
Peyton Manning

1998-2000
Peyton Manning

1999-2001
Chad Pennington OR Drew Brees

2000-2002
Chad Pennington OR Drew Brees

2001-2003
Carson Palmer OR Drew Brees

2002-2004
Philip Rivers or Ben Roethlisberger

2003-2005
Philip Rivers or Ben Roethlisberger

2004-2006
Philip Rivers or Ben Roethlisberger

2005-2007
Aaron Rodgers or Jay Cutler or Vince Young or Jason Campbell or Kevin Kolb or something

2006-2008
Matt Ryan

2007-2009
Matt Ryan

If you don't count anyone in my hodgepodge mess of 2005-2007 where I don't feel there's a clear cut best quarterback drafted in those three years (most would say Rodgers, but that's based on this year alone...I'd go Young, gun to my head, also based on this year alone), there's been 10 different passers to lead this category since 1991, but 16 different opportunities.

Basically, I think there's been a lot of underwhelming quarterback classes. At times, the league has gone more than three years without a surefire success story at QB, and even moving Matt Ryan to that category might be a little premature.

[SmootSmack]

Also if, and I'm not sure we will, we switch to a 3-4 McLain makes sense

[CultBrennan59]

I think Iupati could be the Michael Oher of next year. I Love this guy, the problem is theres no reason for us to take him with the 4th overall pick, which will probably be a QB or OT. Plus in Free Agency is Guards Chester Pitts and Cris Kuper from Houston and Denver, so they already know the offense. And with our second rounder, we'll probably get whatever position we don't get with our first round pick. I personally think we should get Bradford, because all I keep hearing is how he is "super accurate" "good at getting rid of the ball and releasing it quickly" how he can "make all the NFL throws" and is "accuate when he is on the run as well". When I look at a QB the number one thing I'm looking at is is he accurate? Can he get the balls to his receivers? Thats this guy. This guy doesn't come out every year. Russell Okung and Anthony Davis type LT's come out pretty much every year. Plus you look at some of the LT's in the NFL and a lot of them are found pretty much from all the rounds of the draft. QB's that are good are typically in the first round. We've had Jason for 5 years and of the 4 he's played he really hasn't shown me he can be the QB that could take us to the Super Bowl. He's showed me that he can be a back up and fill in if the starting QB gets injured, but thats it. I have more bad memories and moments of Jason than positive moments of him (the time against the Giants he threw and interception 5yds passed the line of scrimmage really sticks out, as well as the games against Dallas, Pittsburgh, Giants where he held onto the ball way way too long, where he should have thrown it away. Pretty much every game which he throws a pass that ends up being a yard short of the first down, instead of going deep.Against the Saints when he was picked off against Vilma and Giants when he stepped way to far back in the pocket and Osi stripped him and ran the fumble in for a score. The only positive moment I have of Jason is when he threw that bomb against the saints a year ago to win, then again that seems to be the only highlight of jason that espn and nfln seem to show when they talk about him)

So I say we draft Sam Bradford and make him the opening day starter, and deal with the OL in FA and what ever we don't get there, get in the draft, which we will. Who knows maybe Bruce campbell of Maryland falls to us in the second round or Bryan Bulaga of Iowa or Jason Fox (he should definitley be there) or a Ciron Black or maybe who knows a Trent Williams could fall just enough for us to trade up

[LandrySlice]

^ I think you are dreaming! Not many of those all pro caliber tackles will be around in the 2nd round. This year seems a little shallow on OL prospects. I'm no expert, but in AllenHan I trust!

[CultBrennan59]

Ok, so I know some people on this board want Sam Bradford, and others don't. For those of you who don't want him, I think you should atleast watch these two videos of Super Accurate Sam, before you completely write him off. This is all of his passes from the national championship game, against the top ranked defense of florida who has atleast 3 first round picks starting for them in this game.

You Tube

You Tube

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Ok, so I know some people on this board want Sam Bradford, and others don't. For those of you who don't want him, I think you should atleast watch these two videos of Super Accurate Sam, before you completely write him off. This is all of his passes from the national championship game, against the top ranked defense of florida who has atleast 3 first round picks starting for them in this game.
YouTube - Sam Bradford vs. Florida, 1st Half

YouTube - Sam Bradford vs. Florida, 2nd Half

OK had a pretty good OL. Lot's of completions within 5 yds of LoS, missed at least two deep passes that should've been completed, forced INT late in the 1st half inside the 10. Forced another pass from under center into coverage in 2nd half for an INT.

The guy isn't garbage, but he isn't a franchise QB IMO. Can he be solid at the next level, possibly in the right situation. But I don't waste the #4 overall pick on him.