Portis/ Parker Combination?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I honestly expect Clinton Portis to be a different player this year. Look, he just watched two of his best friends get booted from the team, he's a whisker away from being the all-time leading rusher in Redskins history; a feat, mind you, that would be huge for a guy that might not make to Canton. I also think he's looking forward to transitioning to a system that suits his true running style.

Sure he's had a couple of spats with some ex-Skins and traded barbs with Jason Campbell, but no one ever accused the guy of laying down on game day. This is it for Clinton Portis. Either he makes it happen this year as a Redskin or he bounces around the league for the remainder of his career.

I agree, plus, he'll have respect for Shanahan as a proven coach that he never had for the inexperienced Zorn. Zorn and Portis had issues from the start and CP had no respect for his coach. He SHOULD respect any position of authority, but did not. I believe he'll view the team as less of a sinking ship and will be more motivated under Shanny. Like I said, he had attitude issues he should not have been having, but I think he'll behave better this year.


Portis and Parker are similar backs...big producers earlier in their careers, now both need someone to compliment them simply to cut down the workload. I think they'll both be very good for us...a solid 1-2 punch if we can fix the line.

[SolidSnake84]

Don't take this CP respect thing too highly.

There was a reason why CP's ass was shown the door in Denver. Rumors said that it was because he wanted more money and threatened to be a hold-out.

CP never gave Gibbs respect that i know of. Players on this team revealed that in an interview some time ago, they were talking about how CP's attitude changed for the worse in 2006 after the injury, and how he would be mouthy with Gibbs, but poor old Joe just sat there and took it.

CP hated Zorn, it's obvious when he told him to "get the F out of my face" during the 2008 season. It's obvious that CP is this way because all of the coaches let him get away with it. The one coach that didn't traded him, and now how ironic that that same coach is here with Portis again.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Don't take this CP respect thing too highly.

There was a reason why CP's ass was shown the door in Denver. Rumors said that it was because he wanted more money and threatened to be a hold-out.

CP never gave Gibbs respect that i know of. Players on this team revealed that in an interview some time ago, they were talking about how CP's attitude changed for the worse in 2006 after the injury, and how he would be mouthy with Gibbs, but poor old Joe just sat there and took it.

CP hated Zorn, it's obvious when he told him to "get the F out of my face" during the 2008 season. It's obvious that CP is this way because all of the coaches let him get away with it. The one coach that didn't traded him, and now how ironic that that same coach is here with Portis again.

I know that Joe 2.0 was different but I have a hard time believing that Joe would "sit there and take it" from anyone. I don't know who the source is but that description smells to me.

[SolidSnake84]

I wish i could remember where that was, or who said it, but I remember reading the article in the Northern Virginia Daily. It was Zorn's first year as head coach and players were talking about how things were going to be "so different". Looking back in hindsight, things only got worse, but at the time players were encouraged after a good pre-season.

It was a former redskin, and his exact quote was "I was shocked at how [Coach] Joe could just sit there and take it from him, from someone who wouldn't practice all week and then show up on Sundays and act like he knew a thing or two about what was going on".

That quote was burned into my memory because it's all the people could talk about over at ExtremeSkins when i was still a poster there.

EDIT: The person who said it was Brian Mitchell. I found it on the extreme-skins archvie. His quote was taken from a snub of a radio interview that he gave on July of 2008, i believe right after the HOF game. Now I know Mitchell hates the skins, but he is credible IMO, and he obviously kept up with the skins enough for him to briefly hold a position on one of the team's shows (redskins post-game live), and the radio station.

He has his own show now on 106.7 the fan.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I wish i could remember where that was, or who said it, but I remember reading the article in the Northern Virginia Daily. It was Zorn's first year as head coach and players were talking about how things were going to be "so different". Looking back in hindsight, things only got worse, but at the time players were encouraged after a good pre-season.

It was a former redskin, and his exact quote was "I was shocked at how [Coach] Joe could just sit there and take it from him, from someone who wouldn't practice all week and then show up on Sundays and act like he knew a thing or two about what was going on".

That quote was burned into my memory because it's all the people could talk about over at ExtremeSkins when i was still a poster there.

EDIT: The person who said it was Brian Mitchell. I found it on the extreme-skins archvie. His quote was taken from a snub of a radio interview that he gave on July of 2008, i believe right after the HOF game. Now I know Mitchell hates the skins, but he is credible IMO, and he obviously kept up with the skins enough for him to briefly hold a position on one of the team's shows (redskins post-game live), and the radio station.

He has his own show now on 106.7 the fan.

I am a fan of BMitch when it comes to Redskinstalk. He doesn't seem like a BSer so maybe it is true. If that is the case, it is good that Joe stepped away.

[SirClintonPortis]

Portis is now just a back who can take what the o-line gives him and not much else. No one is afraid of Portis breaking a big one any more. He's strictly a between-the-tackles runner.

Also, his carries will certainly go down simply because Shanahan practically never gives his primary RBs 300+ carries.

This year may be his last year here. If he's stays healthy and doesn't tank, he'll break Riggo's record, but it's more likely he'll tank like LT and get injured.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm with you on this. If he didn't punch the Boise guy he would've been a 1st rounder. Honestly I think the Boise guy deserved to get punched. But I wouldn't reach for the guy. He also had issues besides hitting this guy. A backfield w/ Parker, a rookie and another vet. I'd just cut ties w/ Portis.

werd.. guy was being a douchebag the whole night

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Injury is my biggest concern as well. I was in favor of a Sproles/Chester Taylor/T. Jones move but having 2 guys in the backfield who seem to have dropped off and have missed most of last year with injuries, I wouldnt really get excited about that.

A lot of people seemed fine with Portis/Betts

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Portis is now just a back who can take what the o-line gives him and not much else. No one is afraid of Portis breaking a big one any more. He's strictly a between-the-tackles runner.

Also, his carries will certainly go down simply because Shanahan practically never gives his primary RBs 300+ carries.

This year may be his last year here. If he's stays healthy and doesn't tank, he'll break Riggo's record, but it's more likely he'll tank like LT and get injured.

I won't deny he's slowed down a LOT, but there was:




If he had blocking like that all season, he'd be in the Pro Bowl if healthy.

Lets see how much he REALLY has left if he works hard and gets a little help from the new line. I still think he needs another regularly-used RB (like Parker or a rookie) to cut down his workload and injury risk, but maybe he can still be a contributor.



edit: looks like Rabach was holding...

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I honestly expect Clinton Portis to be a different player this year. Look, he just watched two of his best friends get booted from the team, he's a whisker away from being the all-time leading rusher in Redskins history; a feat, mind you, that would be huge for a guy that might not make to Canton. I also think he's looking forward to transitioning to a system that suits his true running style.

Sure he's had a couple of spats with some ex-Skins and traded barbs with Jason Campbell, but no one ever accused the guy of laying down on game day. This is it for Clinton Portis. Either he makes it happen this year as a Redskin or he bounces around the league for the remainder of his career.

If healthy it would be hard to argue that he wouldn't be productive. It's all up top with a guy like him.

[PHazard]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I honestly expect Clinton Portis to be a different player this year. Look, he just watched two of his best friends get booted from the team, he's a whisker away from being the all-time leading rusher in Redskins history; a feat, mind you, that would be huge for a guy that might not make to Canton. I also think he's looking forward to transitioning to a system that suits his true running style.

Sure he's had a couple of spats with some ex-Skins and traded barbs with Jason Campbell, but no one ever accused the guy of laying down on game day. This is it for Clinton Portis. Either he makes it happen this year as a Redskin or he bounces around the league for the remainder of his career.

I agree with this. I dont think we will see the Same Portis this year as we saw last year. If he doesnt come to workouts in shape, if he doesnt work hard like Shanahan wants, he will be def be benched or (less likely) cut and Portis knows that. Shanahan traded Portis when he was at his best what makes you think he wouldnt just sit him now that we've seen him at his worst. I think the new regime is gonna get portis more focused due to the points above.

Everyone thinks he's washed up and to a "superstar" (his thinking) that hurts him and puts that chip on his shoulder. And his desire to pass John Riggins on the Redskins all time leading rushers is also going to motivate him.

To clear up the confusion, we currently have 3 RB's on our roster, Portis, Alridge (who i think the new RB Coach Bobby Turner can help him with his fumbles) and when Bruce Allen first signed on for the Redskins, they signed a young Bruising back in PJ Hill. So we'll hafta see what happens with our backfield but i know we wont go into the 2010 season with Portis, Parker, Hill, Alridge, AND Blount/Hardesty so we'll see.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Buster

I won't deny he's slowed down a LOT, but there was:




If he had blocking like that all season, he'd be in the Pro Bowl if healthy.

Lets see how much he REALLY has left if he works hard and gets a little help from the new line. I still think he needs another regularly-used RB (like Parker or a rookie) to cut down his workload and injury risk, but maybe he can still be a contributor.



edit: looks like Rabach was holding...

Rabach was indeed holding haha, got up the field well though. I still was screaming "CUT RIGHT PORTIS G-D IT!"

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Buster

I won't deny he's slowed down a LOT, but there was:




If he had blocking like that all season, he'd be in the Pro Bowl if healthy.

Lets see how much he REALLY has left if he works hard and gets a little help from the new line. I still think he needs another regularly-used RB (like Parker or a rookie) to cut down his workload and injury risk, but maybe he can still be a contributor.



edit: looks like Rabach was holding...

Great blocking by Heyer and Caveman (even Cooley!) on that play. I was about to say good blocking by Rabach too, ha ha. He was way down the field anyway...

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Rabach was indeed holding haha, got up the field well though. I still was screaming "CUT RIGHT PORTIS G-D IT!"

Sellers and Fred Davis were awesome getting down the field to block too.

Yes, that clip could both show that CP has lost a step...but it could also show that he has enough left in the tank to be productive if blocked for. Tough to decide, but I think he deserves the chance to win a job just like Campbell and everyone else. Shanahan won't put up with laziness and if Portis is starting, I trust the new coach that he's there because he earned it.

Bringing in a RB like Parker who could be on par with Portis would make it a real competition. If Parker is finally healthy again and comes into camp and performs well, he'll get a big chunk or the edge over Portis, but they can both be solid parts of the offense. Keep in mind, even if Portis isn't the runner he used to be, he is still one of the best-blocking RBs in the game and has saved Campbell's head many times. We could use him for pass protection and 10 or so carries a game (good on goal line) if we can find a solid complimentary back or if Shanahan installs his RB system like he had in Denver where ANYONE can succeed.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Great blocking by Heyer and Caveman (even Cooley!) on that play. I was about to say good blocking by Rabach too, ha ha. He was way down the field anyway...

ARE kept his guy tied up as well