Round 4 Pick?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

I'm fairly certain that most of the college scouting department is the same as in the Vinny days. Bruce Allen would certainly have to depend on their judgement for late draft picks. I don't think we have done too well beyond the 2nd round with this crew...ok...a squirel found a nut with Horton once and Golston was good, but the other 20 or so later picks the last 5 years have generally not panned out.

Please correct me if I am wrong regarding the college scouts.
Where is Smootsmack when you need him?

You are right about our scouting staff, but I don't really agree with the conclusion you draw. The scouting team may bring the information, but you still had Vinny JZ and Dan making the final selections from the data they presented. And that is what we don't know about this FO. Maybe the staff had presented good options, but Vinny clearly took guys for wrong reasons or personal likings (like the one LB last year). This FO is looking first and foremost at what it takes to build a whole team, at least that is the impression I get from all the moves together.

[RedskinPete]

[QUOTE=skinsnut;693847]I'm fairly certain that most of the college scouting department is the same as in the Vinny days. Bruce Allen would certainly have to depend on their judgement for late draft picks. I don't think we have done too well beyond the 2nd round with this crew...ok...a squirel found a nut with Horton once and Golston was good, but the other 20 or so later picks the last 5 years have generally not panned out.


The facts are we have been very bad at taking middle to late picks. And if you are trading 2,3 and 4th rounders that leaves you with nothing! Love dan S money but he has killed this team for years to come. Vinny did to the 49ers that he did to us[Redskins]!

[RedskinPete]

Riley may be a good player. Campbell and OT is a greater need but looking at Cambells tape he looked very bad. Head down,slow and very little drive. But what the Riley pick said to me this is a team with so many needs that one draft with 4 picks isn't going to make this team a play-off team! To make it to the play-offs we need much more... 2 OL[RT&G] RB[next draft] ,QB[next draft] ,NT and LB. If this team makes to 8-8 that will be something! The OL is bad and changing our D to a 3-4 makes it even harder to win in 2010. Face facts we are a few years away from winning the NFC east!

[drew54]

I was going to vote other for a return man DB or a tweener DE/LB, and that was the pick. They have to move forward assuming Rocky is going to hold out, so grab a guy to replace him, or someone who will develop while we use our current DE/LB type(Wilson)

I think all of our picks will be for Special teams players and development players. Campbell would have been a fine development pick, but actually the OL is sort of crowded with all of the right tackles on the roster(Heyer, Hicks, Rinehart, and BMW)

[SBXVII]

Right now we have....

Blades
Bowen
Fletcher
Gatewood
Henson
Orakpo
Young
and now Riley

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Right now we have....

Blades
Bowen
Fletcher
Gatewood
Henson
Orakpo
Young
and now Riley

Railey played with Landry At LSU. He looks to be a inside guy. Runs well for a big guy from side line to side line. Good hitter that strikes well when tackling. So so in the pass but will not be asked a great deal if he useed inside in a 3-4. Strong point- has a nose for the ball and get through traffic. Looks to be a strong special teams guy! Sounds a lot Blades!

[SeanTaylor21SKINS]

Right now this is how the line shapes up according to Chris Foerster...

Artis Hicks at RT
Mike Williams at RG
Casey Rabach at C
Doc at LG
Trent Williams at LT

Article below...

washingtonpost.com

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SeanTaylor21SKINS

Right now this is how the line shapes up according to Chris Foerster...

Artis Hicks at RT
Mike Williams at RG
Casey Rabach at C
Doc at LG
Trent Williams at LT

I really think that is a solid upgrade from last year, but since this FO has brought competition to every other position, I don't see how we are done adding to this line, both in the draft, by UDFA's and FA. Yes this does sound eerily similar, but I think the difference is that the previous FO tried to pinpoint one player and say that's our guy, MS is working on building a team. The actions may look similar, but the plan and the end product hopefully are vastly different.

[Mc2guy]

^ I think Boswell said it well in his column Friday. The skins are headed in the right direction, but adding McNabb and a couple of draft picks isn't going to make this team a contender overnight...it's going to require patience and time.

The pick makes sense if you think Riley was the best potential ILB on the board to supplement Fletcher and Blades. We need more depth there in a 3-4 alignment, so I can see the need.

Boswell indicated 7-9 as a realistic goal this year given our strength of schedule

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Mc2guy

^ I think Boswell said it well in his column Friday. The skins are headed in the right direction, but adding McNabb and a couple of draft picks isn't going to make this team a contender overnight...it's going to require patience and time.

The pick makes sense if you think Riley was the best potential ILB on the board to supplement Fletcher and Blades. We need more depth there in a 3-4 alignment, so I can see the need.

Boswell indicated 7-9 as a realistic goal this year given our strength of schedule

Sounds about right. Vinny and Dan S just killed this team. I am not a fan of the 3-4 and you need a beast at NT for it to work well. Pluse 4 strong fast LB's. I hate to say this but the O might be better then the D for first 8 games of the season!

[LandrySlice]

I still can't believe we didint grab another OL player, but I am really putting my trust in this new FO, so I like it I guess!?!?!?

[skinsnut]

The reason I am pissed is now we still have unresolved RT issues...would Bruce Campbell have started? probably not...but could midway through the season...the other advantage of a guy like this is his is very fast and could arguably also be a solid backup LT after a year or so...Campbell should be a starting RT in a year.

Now we are still stuck with Heyer at RT and that new guy Artis Hicks...who is really a Guard...but that cant be a viable solution.

PLAN B:
now we will have to trade a player or 2 for Jammal Brown...which wouldn't be bad at all but he is 29 and will cost a ton of cash and a good amount of talent loss in personnel...then Trent Williams can play RT for a while.

PLAN C:
OR...we go after old scraps like Flozell Adams to play RT....this is looking more likely now

[SeanTaylor21SKINS]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

The reason I am pissed is now we still have unresolved RT issues...would Bruce Campbell have started? probably not...but could midway through the season...the other advantage of a guy like this is his is very fast and could arguably also be a solid backup LT after a year or so...Campbell should be a starting RT in a year.

Now we are still stuck with Heyer at RT and that new guy Artis Hicks...who is really a Guard...but that cant be a viable solution.

PLAN B:
now we will have to trade a player or 2 for Jammal Brown...which wouldn't be bad at all but he is 29 and will cost a ton of cash and a good amount of talent loss in personnel...then Trent Williams can play RT for a while.

PLAN C:
OR...we go after old scraps like Flozell Adams to play RT....this is looking more likely now

Artis Hicks is RT according to Chris Forester.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by SeanTaylor21SKINS

Artis Hicks is RT according to Chris Forester.

Technically he is a guard according to the roster...he basically plays every position....ya know...an ideal backup. However, I have not seen him play yet...is he servicable...probably...but so was Heyer...I was hoping for a more legitamate starter, either long term with training or someone that is a legit starter now...not some journeyman.

[SeanTaylor21SKINS]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Technically he is a guard according to the roster...he basically plays every position....ya know...an ideal backup. However, I have not seen him play yet...is he servicable...probably...but so was Heyer...I was hoping for a more legitamate starter, either long term with training or someone that is a legit starter now...not some journeyman.

Yeah it'd be great to have a more legitimate starter, but Hicks has had some big time experience including starting in a Superbowl... The O-Line will definitely be better this year.