What do Big Ben and Lawrence Taylor have in common?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I appreciate you putting me wise with NY state laws regarding this type offense. I'm under the impression the state would have the burden since this was an arranged situation that involved patronizing prostitution, contrary to the normal boy meets girl situation. So much for ignorance of the law not being an excuse.

i don't think ignorance of the law is ever an excuse. if it is, then thanks for the tip! no more speeding tickets for me! haha

[Monkeydad]

Chicago White Sox?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Buster

Chicago White Sox?

CLOSE mouths (C) Wait on details (W) Speculate (S)

[skinsfan69]

Rigth now LT is only guilty of being stupid.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Rigth now LT is only guilty of being stupid.

It's sad to see Lawrence (despite his HOF credentials) is going to ultimately be remembered more for his failures than for his accomplishments. You're right, right now the only thing he's guilty of is bad judgement, once all the facts are known that may be all he's found to be guilty of.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Rigth now LT is only guilty of being stupid.

Yeah maybe but as a Giant fan I've had it.I'm 54 years old and I know I'm getting older but ask my kids I just don't put up with the BS I use to and this is BS.On the Giants site I'm on I've made the suggestion that we "unretire "#56 and retire #53.We can talk football and I will defend him till I die ...he was the best ...ever so far but off the field ...damn man enough is enough,it's almost like he thinks well I'm LT and it's ok for me.Look what has happen is wrong on all levels all I was doing is asking some questions becuase the story ...at least to me doesn't sound right.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

That, and being a scumbag. Regardless of whether Taylor thought the girl was 16 or 18 or 19, these disturbing facts remain - Taylor, a 51 year old married man paid to have sex with a prostitute whom he thought was 18ish and showed signs of being physically abused. Married +Cheating + Prostitute + Young girl + Black eye = Scumbag.

He should be thankful that a couple of years in prison, a ruined marriage, and a further damaged reputation is his "worst-case scenario." In my opinion, the man doesn't deserve the air he's breathing.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

That, and being a scumbag. Regardless of whether Taylor thought the girl was 16 or 18 or 19, these disturbing facts remain - Taylor, a 51 year old married man paid to have sex with a prostitute whom he thought was 18ish and showed signs of being physically abused. Married +Cheating + Prostitute + Young girl + Black eye = Scumbag.

Are those facts?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Are those facts?

Yes, atleast that's what's been reported.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

That, and being a scumbag. Regardless of whether Taylor thought the girl was 16 or 18 or 19, these disturbing facts remain - Taylor, a 51 year old married man paid to have sex with a prostitute whom he thought was 18ish and showed signs of being physically abused. Married +Cheating + Prostitute + Young girl + Black eye = Scumbag.

He should be thankful that a couple of years in prison, a ruined marriage, and a further damaged reputation is his "worst-case scenario." In my opinion, the man doesn't deserve the air he's breathing.

Let me be the first to say I don't like LT. Didn't when he was a player and I still don't. He was a great player though.

Having said that, while not trying to defend him, how would you feel if you went out to Vegas and visited the Bunny Ranch and had sex with a girl whom you were informed was 19y/o. Then within a matter of hours your being arrested cause in actuallity she was 16 and it's a Felony to have sex with some under 17?

Don't get me wrong I agree that any married man should not be seeking this kind of servatude. All I can say is I thought most everyone else was in the same boat as me or thought the same way as me when it came to sex. I'm lucky to see it once a month, while others are still going at it twice a day. I was on a 3 month dry spell and I was shocked at how some people are doing so much better then myself and they were shocked at how bad off my situation was even while being married.

So basically I'm not going to judge LT in regards to his seeking relief outside of whatever type of relationship he has ( I thought his wife left him). The law is the law. Did he have sex with a minor? yes. Does the law state he has to know she is underage? no. Maybe this case will change the law up there maybe not. But I'll say it doesn't sound fair when he might have asked the young lady how old she was and she was instructed by her pimp to say she was 19.
Report: LT's alleged victim said she was 19 | ProFootballTalk.com

LT Lawyer does admit ignorance is not an excuse....

L.T.'s lawyer acknowledges ignorance of age is no defense, sets up Clintonesque defense | ProFootballTalk.com

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Let me be the first to say I don't like LT. Didn't when he was a player and I still don't. He was a great player though.

Having said that, while not trying to defend him, how would you feel if you went out to Vegas and visited the Bunny Ranch and had sex with a girl whom you were informed was 19y/o. Then within a matter of hours your being arrested cause in actuallity she was 16 and it's a Felony to have sex with some under 17?

Don't get me wrong I agree that any married man should not be seeking this kind of servatude. All I can say is I thought most everyone else was in the same boat as me or thought the same way as me when it came to sex. I'm lucky to see it once a month, while others are still going at it twice a day. I was on a 3 month dry spell and I was shocked at how some people are doing so much better then myself and they were shocked at how bad off my situation was even while being married.

So basically I'm not going to judge LT in regards to his seeking relief outside of whatever type of relationship he has ( I thought his wife left him). The law is the law. Did he have sex with a minor? yes. Does the law state he has to know she is underage? no. Maybe this case will change the law up there maybe not. But I'll say it doesn't sound fair when he might have asked the young lady how old she was and she was instructed by her pimp to say she was 19.
Report: LT's alleged victim said she was 19 | ProFootballTalk.com

LT Lawyer does admit ignorance is not an excuse....

L.T.'s lawyer acknowledges ignorance of age is no defense, sets up Clintonesque defense | ProFootballTalk.com

I've really avoided trying to get into the debate with people, because I dont want to seem like I'm defending anything that even remotley has to do with rape....but I agree 100% with this. Again, ASSUMING everything is fact, is LT a scumbag, probaboly (but we knew that already), but I think its unfair that he's now labeled a rapist. I would think the "pimp" would be the one who should fry.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Let me be the first to say I don't like LT. Didn't when he was a player and I still don't. He was a great player though.

Having said that, while not trying to defend him, how would you feel if you went out to Vegas and visited the Bunny Ranch and had sex with a girl whom you were informed was 19y/o. Then within a matter of hours your being arrested cause in actuallity she was 16 and it's a Felony to have sex with some under 17?

Don't get me wrong I agree that any married man should not be seeking this kind of servatude. All I can say is I thought most everyone else was in the same boat as me or thought the same way as me when it came to sex. I'm lucky to see it once a month, while others are still going at it twice a day. I was on a 3 month dry spell and I was shocked at how some people are doing so much better then myself and they were shocked at how bad off my situation was even while being married.

So basically I'm not going to judge LT in regards to his seeking relief outside of whatever type of relationship he has ( I thought his wife left him). The law is the law. Did he have sex with a minor? yes. Does the law state he has to know she is underage? no. Maybe this case will change the law up there maybe not. But I'll say it doesn't sound fair when he might have asked the young lady how old she was and she was instructed by her pimp to say she was 19.
Report: LT's alleged victim said she was 19 | ProFootballTalk.com

LT Lawyer does admit ignorance is not an excuse....

L.T.'s lawyer acknowledges ignorance of age is no defense, sets up Clintonesque defense | ProFootballTalk.com

First of all, let me say that i am insulted by the fact that you would just assume i would go to vegas and have sex with some random girl. i would not. I am married. I love my wife and i would never cheat on her. Even if i weren't married, i wouldnt engage in that sort of behavior.

I beleive that everyone has the right to live their life the way they want to live it. however, if they choose to engage in risky, "scumbag" behavior, then they need to be prepared for the potential consequences of their actions. one of the potential consequences of having sex with random strangers and prostitutes is that they could lie about their age. its a risk. if someone doesn't want to accept that risk, then they should avoid having sex with random strangers and prostitutes. you might not think that it's fair, but in my opinion it is entirely fair. since there are so many scumbags out there, laws need to be in place to punish those who break them.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

That, and being a scumbag. Regardless of whether Taylor thought the girl was 16 or 18 or 19, these disturbing facts remain - Taylor, a 51 year old married man paid to have sex with a prostitute whom he thought was 18ish and showed signs of being physically abused. Married +Cheating + Prostitute + Young girl + Black eye = Scumbag.

He should be thankful that a couple of years in prison, a ruined marriage, and a further damaged reputation is his "worst-case scenario." In my opinion, the man doesn't deserve the air he's breathing.

All I'm saying is when you wrote this I don't believe any of this had been known to have been admitted to by LT. In fact, didn't his lawyer vehemently deny it? And, of course, that's not to say you should believe his lawyer. But there wasn't a reason not to.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

All I'm saying is when you wrote this I don't believe any of this had been known to have been admitted to by LT. In fact, didn't his lawyer vehemently deny it? And, of course, that's not to say you should believe his lawyer. But there wasn't a reason not to.

well I guess thats the piece of information you're missing. LT admitted to pretty much everything when the story first broke. This is before he got a lawyer, as he was under the impression it was just a simple solicitation charge. after it came out that the girl was 16, he got a lawyer. the lawyer denied what LT had previously admitted to, but it may have to do with the actual nature of the contact between the LT and the girl.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

well I guess thats the piece of information you're missing. LT admitted to pretty much everything when the story first broke. This is before he got a lawyer, as he was under the impression it was just a simple solicitation charge. after it came out that the girl was 16, he got a lawyer. the lawyer denied what LT had previously admitted to, but it may have to do with the actual nature of the contact between the LT and the girl.

I guess I totally missed that then