The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread

SBXVII · 09-26-2010, 10:00 PM

LOL, let me get this right.... the offense looks bad, has a hard time scoring TD's and it's "we just don't have all the right pieces to the puzzle and give it a year or two", but the defense has a hard time stopping the run, can't tackle, can't bat the ball away from the WR, looks bad, and it's lets fire Haslett.

Damn, now I have to go find my pitchfork........

Did anyone get the feeling like I did that the Refs were giving the game to the Rams? I could have counted holding all across the Rams OL and not one call made by the Refs. Then in the 4th quarter they call Rogers for interference but fail to call the Holding call on the Rams Center keeping us from getting a sack?

How about the Rams catch at the one yard line. It technically would not be a catch for me. It reminded me of the Lions game week one. Player caught the ball and when the ball hit the ground it moved, but no the Refs gave it to the Rams on the one yrd line.

Across the board though the Skins played horrid. Trying to force the run the whole while being 14 points down, bad play calls, not rolling McNabb out more often like they did with in the Dallas game, Heyer(nough said), Davis not being used enough, Galloway only being used on long balls, where was Armstrong?, the change up on the OL created this whole mess. Well not the whole mess but part of it.

So glad we don't need someone like VJackson on this team since our WR's are catching balls all over the field.... I mean Moss catching balls.

SirClintonPortis · 09-26-2010, 10:03 PM

Armstrong hurt his groin, so he couldn't play.

GusFrerotte · 09-26-2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

People may say I'm crazy and a traitor, but we should make a go for Wade Phillips when he gets ass kicked out of Dallas.

Haslett is fine. The switch to the 3-4 is going to take time and getting the right personnel, and add depth. What Haslett has to do to make things better is realize he can't blitiz all the time with the players he has and go back to playing zone.

SirClintonPortis · 09-26-2010, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Haslett is fine. The switch to the 3-4 is going to take time and getting the right personnel, and add depth. What Haslett has to do to make things better is realize he can't blitiz all the time with the players he has and go back to playing zone.

The Phillips 3-4 has the NT penetrate the backfield. There is not bs hold your ground and sit pretty stuff going on there.

SBXVII · 09-26-2010, 10:05 PM

^ I would think twice about the zone part also.... it seemed the Rams WR's found the open spot on the field all day beating our CB's for 1st downs.

Bushead · 09-26-2010, 10:05 PM

Talent wise, we don't stack up well on two fronts: overall or scheme wise. The redskins cut 10 "core" players this past offseason and barely any of them were picked up, which is one indication of our talent level. If we cut people who weren't good enough for this team and they were being picked up everywhere else, well I'd day we are in a good spot.

Then we have DE's playing OLB because that is all we have. The 3-4 can be a very aggressive defense that confuses QBs because there is so much going on. Unfortunately, we don't have the people upfront to make it work. Who would be a starter on other teams? Fletcher, Hall, Haynesworth, Orakpo and maybe Andre are the only ones. Think about that. Not only are we adjusting to a scheme, we really only have four solid starters.

Meks · 09-26-2010, 10:07 PM

Yes the refs were garbage as usual, that wasn't a catch. They held us almost Evert damn play. But we get called forholding. Gimmie an effing break they handed them the game just as.much as we did. My sign has been that way for 2 yrs or more for a reason.

Pocket$ $traight · 09-26-2010, 10:08 PM

The Haslett should be fired angle of this thread is pretty stupid. Shanahan came in here and forced a 3-4 down everyone's throat when a more aggressive 4-3 is all we needed. Not to mention the fact that he chose to focus on a pissing match with the most talented defensive player on the team.

If anyone should be fired, it should be Shanahan.

SBXVII · 09-26-2010, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

The Phillips 3-4 has the NT penetrate the backfield. There is not bs hold your ground and sit pretty stuff going on there.

I was against Haslett day one, but I have liked what I have seen up until this game. I know the stats are bad but the players look like they are actually having fun and making plays.

I don't get the NT just sitting either. I'd tell a 3 DL to rush the QB, throw in 2 LB's and let the other 2 sit back in zone and

Oh hell I don't know what the "F" I'm talking about but Baltimore and the Jets I think have the NT attacking not sitting waiting to clog a lane.

Bushead · 09-26-2010, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Meks

Yes the refs were garbage as usual, that wasn't a catch. They held us almost Evert damn play. But we get called forholding. Gimmie an effing break they handed them the game just as.much as we did. My sign has been that way for 2 yrs or more for a reason.

You obviously don't partake in the NBA with the constant three steps do you?

SirClintonPortis · 09-26-2010, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

The Haslett should be fired angle of this thread is pretty stupid. Shanahan came in here and forced a 3-4 down everyone's throat when a more aggressive 4-3 is all we needed. Not to mention the fact that he chose to focus on a pissing match with the most talented defensive player on the team.

If anyone should be fired, it should be Shanahan.

Not quite, I think the Phillips 3-4 would have gone well with Albert as he would have been allowed to penetrate up the field and use his quickness.

Meks · 09-26-2010, 10:11 PM

Yea I don't care for b.ball only March madness but I know the.NBA refs suck too

Pocket$ $traight · 09-26-2010, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Not quite, I think the Phillips 3-4 would have gone well with Albert as he would have been allowed to penetrate up the field and use his quickness.

We are a fail in anyone's 3-4. We just don't have the personnel.

This was a 4-3 team from top to bottom when Shanny arrived.

SirClintonPortis · 09-26-2010, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

We are a fail in anyone's 3-4. We just don't have the personnel.

This was a 4-3 team from top to bottom when Shanny arrived.

Even so, it would not be as bad a fail because the NT wouldn't be total miscast.

SBXVII · 09-26-2010, 10:19 PM

I said it back when we picked up the coaching staff, call it rebuild and everyone would be sitting here with the mind set that the team is going to take 3-4 yrs to be great and make a run at the SB. I don't care that it was not the coaching staff's plan it would have left the fans not expecting much and if the team did well they would have been pleasently supprised.

Instead the team came out and said "Oh we are not going to rebuild .... thats a taboo word, we have talent on this team so we are going to make a run at the play offs/SB. and instead of lowered expectations the fans are already calling for coach's heads just after 3 games.

09-26-2010, 10:00 PM	#61
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread LOL, let me get this right.... the offense looks bad, has a hard time scoring TD's and it's "we just don't have all the right pieces to the puzzle and give it a year or two", but the defense has a hard time stopping the run, can't tackle, can't bat the ball away from the WR, looks bad, and it's lets fire Haslett. Damn, now I have to go find my pitchfork........ Did anyone get the feeling like I did that the Refs were giving the game to the Rams? I could have counted holding all across the Rams OL and not one call made by the Refs. Then in the 4th quarter they call Rogers for interference but fail to call the Holding call on the Rams Center keeping us from getting a sack? How about the Rams catch at the one yard line. It technically would not be a catch for me. It reminded me of the Lions game week one. Player caught the ball and when the ball hit the ground it moved, but no the Refs gave it to the Rams on the one yrd line. Across the board though the Skins played horrid. Trying to force the run the whole while being 14 points down, bad play calls, not rolling McNabb out more often like they did with in the Dallas game, Heyer(nough said), Davis not being used enough, Galloway only being used on long balls, where was Armstrong?, the change up on the OL created this whole mess. Well not the whole mess but part of it. So glad we don't need someone like VJackson on this team since our WR's are catching balls all over the field.... I mean Moss catching balls.

09-26-2010, 10:03 PM	#62
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread Armstrong hurt his groin, so he couldn't play. __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

09-26-2010, 10:05 PM	#65
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread ^ I would think twice about the zone part also.... it seemed the Rams WR's found the open spot on the field all day beating our CB's for 1st downs.

09-26-2010, 10:05 PM	#66
Bushead Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 782	Re: The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread Talent wise, we don't stack up well on two fronts: overall or scheme wise. The redskins cut 10 "core" players this past offseason and barely any of them were picked up, which is one indication of our talent level. If we cut people who weren't good enough for this team and they were being picked up everywhere else, well I'd day we are in a good spot. Then we have DE's playing OLB because that is all we have. The 3-4 can be a very aggressive defense that confuses QBs because there is so much going on. Unfortunately, we don't have the people upfront to make it work. Who would be a starter on other teams? Fletcher, Hall, Haynesworth, Orakpo and maybe Andre are the only ones. Think about that. Not only are we adjusting to a scheme, we really only have four solid starters.

09-26-2010, 10:07 PM	#67
Meks Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Jersey Age: 39 Posts: 5,648	Re: The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread Yes the refs were garbage as usual, that wasn't a catch. They held us almost Evert damn play. But we get called forholding. Gimmie an effing break they handed them the game just as.much as we did. My sign has been that way for 2 yrs or more for a reason. __________________ R.I.P #21SEAN TAYLOR

09-26-2010, 10:08 PM	#68
Pocket$ $traight Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 48 Posts: 4,261	Re: The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread The Haslett should be fired angle of this thread is pretty stupid. Shanahan came in here and forced a 3-4 down everyone's throat when a more aggressive 4-3 is all we needed. Not to mention the fact that he chose to focus on a pissing match with the most talented defensive player on the team. If anyone should be fired, it should be Shanahan.

09-26-2010, 10:11 PM	#72
Meks Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Jersey Age: 39 Posts: 5,648	Re: The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread Yea I don't care for b.ball only March madness but I know the.NBA refs suck too __________________ R.I.P #21SEAN TAYLOR

09-26-2010, 10:19 PM	#75
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread I said it back when we picked up the coaching staff, call it rebuild and everyone would be sitting here with the mind set that the team is going to take 3-4 yrs to be great and make a run at the SB. I don't care that it was not the coaching staff's plan it would have left the fans not expecting much and if the team did well they would have been pleasently supprised. Instead the team came out and said "Oh we are not going to rebuild .... thats a taboo word, we have talent on this team so we are going to make a run at the play offs/SB. and instead of lowered expectations the fans are already calling for coach's heads just after 3 games.

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