Who Will Be The Redskins 2011 Opening Day Starting QB?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Well, if true, then my question is this:

"Does Shanahan have the authority to fire Allen?"

Although Allen is the GM, "hired" Shanahan, and GM's traditionally outrank coaches, i think Shanahan's official title outranks Allens.

Allen's ALWAYS been a horrible personnel guy. I know everyone likes to cite his work in Oakland but he did not have final input (if any input at all) on personnel matters. In Tampa, his record is awful. And don't forget, he allegedly offered Haynesworth more money than Snyder and Cerrato, but Haynesworth decided to come here instead.

Now, we know he was the driving force behind trading a 2nd and 4th round pick for a QB who only played 13 games? Allen is the last person in the world I want Shanahan taking advice from when he's assembling a roster. Hopefully shanahan can fire him. If not, Snyder should offer him a "promotion" to handle the business side of things while a real personnel guy takes over at GM to assist shanahan in building a good team.

Shanny is also the team president, of course he can fire him if he wants.

Allen wasn't in Tampa when AH was on the move.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Shanny is also the team president, of course he can fire him if he wants.

Allen wasn't in Tampa when AH was on the move.

My bad - I thought Allen wasnt fired until after the draft. Still, my point remains that Allen shouldnt have anything to do with personnel moves.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Well, if true, then my question is this:

"Does Shanahan have the authority to fire Allen?"

Although Allen is the GM, "hired" Shanahan, and GM's traditionally outrank coaches, i think Shanahan's official title outranks Allens.

Allen's ALWAYS been a horrible personnel guy. I know everyone likes to cite his work in Oakland but he did not have final input (if any input at all) on personnel matters. In Tampa, his record is awful. And don't forget, he allegedly offered Haynesworth more money than Snyder and Cerrato, but Haynesworth decided to come here instead.

Now, we know he was the driving force behind trading a 2nd and 4th round pick for a QB who only played 13 games? Allen is the last person in the world I want Shanahan taking advice from when he's assembling a roster. Hopefully shanahan can fire him. If not, Snyder should offer him a "promotion" to handle the business side of things while a real personnel guy takes over at GM to assist shanahan in building a good team.

As I understand it, Allen doesn't do any personnel, at least in terms of scouting. Allen does contracts & manages the business side. So far, I see things going much differently under Allen. e.g. he gave up little to get Brown & Carriker. Some of the old vets they brought in didn't get paid - Parker & Johnson. There's been a big emphasis on incentives in deals.

I will give Allen a pass on the Mcnabb trade. He probably had to offer more than he wanted to to get McNabb from a div. rival. I don't think that deal is any way indicative of Allen's trade negotiations. As for McNabbs "extension" it was pretty crafty, it gives the skins an out & at the same time pays McNabb well if he's on the roster. Also, leaves open the possibility of trading him.

[Leader In Sports]

Let us not forget the Danny factor in all of this. I am willing to bet you will see some aged veteran QB that is not on your radar as of now. Who would have thought McNabb would be here this time last year?

[hooskins]

I see the John Beck contingent is strong force. Almost seven percent baby!

[sportscurmudgeon]

I am a bit surprised that we have not yet heard the name Colt Brennan mentioned here - - assuming he recovers completely from his injuries in that auto accident.

[DCtoAZ]

remember after we beat dallas week #1 and were up 17 on the texans in the second half .. man I surely thought this season would shape up differently .. i have to admit, the sex cannon does seem to grasp the offense better ... i had blinders on with mcnabb and shanny saw this shit in practice and game day ... he knew this would be a tough political move but sometimes you gotta bite the bullet, admit your mistakes and move the F on .. McNabb is our JETS Favre experiment.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by DCtoAZ

remember after we beat dallas week #1 and were up 17 on the texans in the second half .. man I surely thought this season would shape up differently .. i have to admit, the sex cannon does seem to grasp the offense better ... i had blinders on with mcnabb and shanny saw this shit in practice and game day ... he knew this would be a tough political move but sometimes you gotta bite the bullet, admit your mistakes and move the F on .. McNabb is our JETS Favre experiment.

I agree 1,000,000,000 % on everything u just said.

I thought we were gonna be 2-0 going to STL, man what a bad yr

[GusFrerotte]

Locker would be a wasted pick. Sorry guys, but watching him, he isn't all that. Rex would be the man. Newton will be a bust or a walking problem for whoever drafts him.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Locker would be a wasted pick. Sorry guys, but watching him, he isn't all that. Rex would be the man. Newton will be a bust or a walking problem for whoever drafts him.

I don't get why Locker is even being considered in the first round. He seems to be a 3rd or 4th round type of talent.

[SmootSmack]

I'm not big on Locker either, though I do see where people would be intrigued by his potential. But I think we may benefit from Locker having a difficult year because it's possible we could trade down, pick up another draft pick, and get Locker. Which perhaps isn't too bad. I like that option better than sitting where we are and taking Newton or even trading up for Newton.

[juskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm not big on Locker either, though I do see where people would be intrigued by his potential. But I think we may benefit from Locker having a difficult year because it's possible we could trade down, pick up another draft pick, and get Locker. Which perhaps isn't too bad. I like that option better than sitting where we are and taking Newton or even trading up for Newton.

Locker has potential but does that translate into franchise QB? I don't like a QB that has, supposedly, the inability to read defenses. There are better draftee QBs in this year's draft that are better and may not require a top 15th pick.

Trade down and select one of the better options at QB.

[Chico23231]

I think Mallet and Luck are much better prospects than Newton or Locker. Locker effing sucks. I wouldnt mind taking either of the first two where we are. I think Luck is going to stay another year, unless Harbaugh goes.

[Jontrem]

Locker is the 3rd best option. However barring trading up I would think both Luck (if he comes out) and Mallet will be gone when we pick. Remember Locker would have been a top pick last year if he had come out. He had a bad year on a crappy team, I dont hold that against him too much.

[SBXVII]

Well..... I picked Grossman, not that I want him. I think MS was looking for a QB that was better then Campbell and would make better decisions then Campbell. He found it, but I don't think McNabb is what he thought he would be either (ie; dirt balls, over throws, unable to scramble well, etc.). I'm just guessing but if Grossman has two more games where he seems to lead the team fairly well, even with the interceptions, I'm betting McNabb is let go due to cost.

I totally figured the team was resting McNabb so he wouldn't get hurt for next season and allowing the team to evaluate Grossman and Beck. Then after the game MS was saying something about playing Grossman for the next two games to evaluate him. Hmmm. Then today all the garbage comes out about McNabb and his ability or lack there of to run this offense. I doubt McNabb will be back. It's either Grossman or Beck since MS had said Beck was a QB they were looking at when he was coming out of college but someone else picked him up first. So it will be interesting to see what happens next year but I don't forsee McNabb here (another waisted trade), and unless we get a high draft pick in order to pickup one of the best QB's available I don't forsee us drafting someone to start next yr. So It's either Grossman, Beck, or perhaps someone MS has worked with in the past.