If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by 30gut

How come whenever a star college athlete gets caught with their hand in the cookie everyone pretends like that guy is the only guy doing it?

First of all why? Simple, most guys are smart enough not to be so blatant about it. Why would you show off when you know the press has you in the spotlight?

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

The last thing we need in this rebuild is another contreversal player. We need to eliminate drama not add too it.

Exactly!!!!!!! Not to mention he is not a NFL QB.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by mooby

For once I think I semi-agree with NC_Skins on a point. The kid is a punk, from every account I've read, the one that stands out to me the most is this. Now obviously people can chalk that up to the kid being immature, or w/e reason, and basically say that won't stop him from being a successful qb in the NFL, but how many "bad apples" come out of college football and are able to turn their lives around in the NFL? More often than not you hear about them living the same way they always have, which is basically them coming across as acting like they are above the law. I don't deny that the kid has talent, but talent isn't worth anything if a persons' character prevents that talent from ever fully realizing it on the field. I wouldn't take him, just because it sounds like he hasn't learned anything from the NCAA/OS investigation into his cars. Shanny is a risk taker though, and the risk is minimal if we use a 4th or a 5th round pick on him, so we might end up seeing him in a 'Skins uniform if Shanny determines his talent overrides his character concerns.

Thing is the kid did not improve enough from his first to his third year in terms of his passing. Yeah, Terrell has his running game down, but that didn't help Vick at all in ATL. Vick was a better passer at VT than Pryor at OSU.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Wasted Pick, unless you want him as a WR. Kid did not develop well as a QB. He won't be able to run like that in the NFL.

I can't tell if you're joking or not.
He improved each year.
2,772 yards 65 comp% 27 TDs 11 INTS 157.9 QB rating (in a pro style offense)
And the physical skillset is undeniable
A 6th round pick well worth the risk.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

No thanks we already have access to Jammal Brown and will also likely have a chance to sign Clabo, Harris, or Trueblood if that doesn't work out.

I dont think NYCSkins or the Hogs Heaven blog is saying Mike Adams is gonna step in to be a starter right off the bat, espicailly with this whole lockout thing going on. Hes still pretty young and is gonna need a little time.

I would love to have Ryan Harris but I don’t think I would be too crazy about Trueblood or Clabo. And all 3 of the options are gonna cost a whole lot more than a 4th round supplemental draft pick. Im not too sure Jammal Brown is returning. Even if we got Harris and were able to keep Brown the only odd man out would probably be Heyer but i think hes gone if we get Harris or any of the others you listed. Selvish Capers could remain on the practice squad. Id personally be okay with having too many good offensive lineman then not enough.

[Defensewins]

Not sure I believe this but I thought I would post it.

Source: NCAA interviews Ohio State Buckeyes' Terrelle Pryor, mother Thomasina on use of loaner cars - ESPN

[Bigreds77]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's nothing narrow minded about it. It's about recognizing what is good in college and works there, doesn't in the NFL. Big arm, height, mobility, intelligence, accuracy, character all play a part in it.


Also, the very guy being investigated for improper use of cars decides to roll up Monday to a team only meeting in this?



I don't need to see a Wonderlic test to know this guy is a idiot. He's pretty much sending a message that yeah I did this shit and got my coach fired but so what!! You want that leading your pro team? Good thing many of you don't run this team.

Living in Ohio and being a Die hard Buckeye fan I would say you said it like it is.Two coaches that I have admired are Tressel and Gibbs. Pryor is to stupid to know that he was part of getting a Legend fired.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Bigreds77

Living in Ohio and being a Die hard Buckeye fan I would say you said it like it is.Two coaches that I have admired are Tressel and Gibbs. Pryor is to stupid to know that he was part of getting a Legend fired.

Seems your "legend" has been cheating his whole life. It's not just the dummy Pryor. Tressel could have made stands his whole career and hasn't done it once. What kind of legend is that? He's been turning the blind eye since he was a coordinator.

[Defensewins]

College football is a joke and is a big mess. Between the BCS bowl system, the good ole boy bowl committees and its crazy rules, don't blame one guy for this supposed 'huge scandal'. I have been reading more about this so called 'huge scandal'. Yes, rules were broken but this is not a grade fixing or test cheating scandal about eligibility. Players were not caught taking steroids. OSU players did not gang raped a girl and the team and school covered it up.
The players sold rings and other memorabilia that was GIVEN to them. Since when do you GIVE a gift to someone with rules of you can not sell the gift? The rules in college sports and amateur sports are joke especially when you think about the large amount of money college football generates for the NCAA and the Schools...while at the same time some of these kids come from poor families. I was a poor college student once. There were days I barely had money to get something healthy to eat.
Add to this the crazy NFL rule that a player has to be a certain age to play this game in the NFL. This was done to make the NCAA happy and allow scouts free access to the campus' and keep them happy.
It is so easy for some to demonize the players and coaches.
Are academic scholarship students in college under the same set of rules?

[NC_Skins]

^^ In response to that crazy rant above, I have to say your stance is a bit misguided. Athletes are under a set of rules to prevent advantages from bigger schools with more resources. It has to be in place to keep the advantages equal. However, it's apparent that the bigger schools aren't abiding by these rules as we've seen time and time again the programs being brought down.

What they should do is this. Coaches that get caught breaking (or ignoring) NCAA infractions, they should be fired, fined, and banned from coaching (beginning at a 5 year ban to indefinitely). Period. Tressel should never be allowed to coach again in the NCAA. It's not his first offense, and most likely won't be his last. (and many other coaches fall under this as well)

Right now, a coach can have all sorts of NCAA infractions against them, jet to another school and nothing happens.(in any sport) How in the hell does John Calapari still have a job in the NCAA system? It's mind boggling.


Paying athletes? Nope. SHouldn't happen. They get paid for room and board, education, and the cost of books. I dare you add that all up and see how much it equates to. Also, people don't realize that the money that college football (or basketball) brings in supports all the other athletic programs at a school.

EAST CAROLINA OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE - Facilities

Look at that sweet new Olympic Complex going up at ECU. Who do think pays for that new soccer, softball, track field? Football does, that's who. Who do you think pays for the girls basketball team to travel from place to place? Football and men's basketball, that's who.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Also, people don't realize that the money that college football (or basketball) brings in supports all the other athletic programs at a school.

Universally? Where is your proof? This is a myth.

I would be willing to bet that at a fine institution such as East Carolina, football, at very best, is self sustaining from a financial perspective. But even that would put ECU in the minority of self-sustaining FB programs, so it certainly wouldn't shock me if their football program (along with the rest of C-USA) are running in the red.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I can't tell if you're joking or not.
He improved each year.
2,772 yards 65 comp% 27 TDs 11 INTS 157.9 QB rating (in a pro style offense)
And the physical skillset is undeniable
A 6th round pick well worth the risk.

I would argue that Ohio St. is nowhere near a "Pro Style" offense.

While Pryor was padding his numbers against; Marshall, Ohio, E. Michigan and the middle/bottom of the Big Ten how did he do against competitive teams:
Wisconsin: 14-28 156yds 50% Comp 0 TD 1 INT
Miami: 12-27 233yds 44% Comp 1 TD 0 INT
Iowa: 18-33 195yds 54.5% Comp 1 TD 2 INT
Arkansas: He played well 14-25 221yds 56% Comp 2 TD 0 INT

Keep in mind he won't be able to put up the run numbers he did in the NCAA at the NFL level. Pryor is not, and I don't expect will develop into, a proficient passer at the NFL level. Would I risk a sixth rounder on him as an "athlete", yes. Projected as a full-time QB, no way.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Some interesting info:

Behind the Blue Disk - FBS Athletic Revenues and Expenses - NCAA.org

NCAA report: Economy cuts into college athletics - ESPN

The 12 Most Valuable Teams in NCAA Football | Business Pundit

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Universally? Where is your proof? This is a myth.

I would be willing to bet that at a fine institution such as East Carolina, football, at very best, is self sustaining from a financial perspective. But even that would put ECU in the minority of self-sustaining FB programs, so it certainly wouldn't shock me if their football program (along with the rest of C-USA) are running in the red.

First off, I work at a University. Second, I know and work with people in the Athletic Department so I know how it works. You on the other hand are making claims about it being a "myth" when it is in fact a reality. Where is YOUR proof that it's a myth?

How Much of a Drain are “Other Sports” «

Also, if it goes in the red for so long without another program carrying it, chances are it'll be shutdown.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

First off, I work at a University. Second, I know and work with people in the Athletic Department so I know how it works. You on the other hand are making claims about it being a "myth" when it is in fact a reality. Where is YOUR proof that it's a myth?

How Much of a Drain are “Other Sports” «

Also, if it goes in the red for so long without another program carrying it, chances are it'll be shutdown.

College Football program. Shut down. That's a good one. I lol'ed.

You must not be familiar with the burden of proof concept. When you can't back up a claim, I can just tell you that you can't back up your claim, and then you have to go out and prove it.

Point of the Game: The Dominance and the Myth of College Football II

The football data highlights the nasty secret of football and college sport: the world segregates by the vast majority of haves-sort; some sort of haves; and a super elite of absurd abundance, rather like the modern U.S. wealth distribution system. A staggering 94 percent of college football programs lose money; their revenue streams do not cover the costs of the program. This refutes the often cited claim that football pays for the rest of the athletic program. In a very very very few programs, maybe 10, football may generate enough surplus to help support other college sports, but in the vast majority of programs football programs vacuum up 85 percent of the expenditures and do not cover their costs.

I am surprised that the University of Central Florida is one of the two or three programs in the nation that can sustain an athletics program based strictly off the revenues of its football program. I would not have expected that. I know, for a fact, they are pretty much alone in terms of colleges of their size.