Where does D. Hall rate as a CB for the Redskins all time?

[SmootSmack]

Maybe I need to go back an watch this extra point. Because I don't remember it being so awful that I was like "damn where the hell is seal team 6 to off this mofo! Shit's got to end now or America will never be safe"

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Maybe I need to go back an watch this extra point. Because I don't remember it being so awful that I was like "damn where the hell is seal team 6 to off this mofo! Shit's got to end now or America will never be safe"

Okay, lets put it this way: if seal team 6 walked onto the field during the extra point and delayed the game/committed an obvious offside penalty, I would have been okay with that and/or cool to watch.

A player on the defensive team though? I think you're looking the other way because of who the player is. And I think a lot of people are doing the same thing.

[SmootSmack]

Or maybe you're looking one way because of who the player is. I mean really, worse than anything Haynesworth ever did? Don't accuse others of letting personal feelings cloud their judgment while acting like it never clouds yours. We know you're better than that.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Or maybe you're looking one way because of who the player is. I mean really, worse than anything Haynesworth ever did? Don't accuse others of letting personal feelings cloud their judgment while acting like it never clouds yours. We know you're better than that.

Wait, who is the one here that is acting like personal feelings never clouds judgement?

Look, you have a weekly thread about things the Redskins can improve on, etc. I thought you brought up some good points. But you omitted (actually defended) Hall in the OP. So I added him. Then a big discussion ensued because I said Haynesworth in a post. My bad.

I was going to start a "the Redskins should release DeAngelo Hall thread" that would have been based on only a rational response to what happened in the game on Thursday and his value to the team going forward. I opted against it because I know how all D-Hall threads ends up. See above. People like you pretend his weaknesses on the field are some sort of necessary evil that we just need to deal with and people like me try to argue stuff like "DeAngelo Hall really isn't that much of a playmaker to begin with."

I'm open to the idea that the answer is probably in the middle. But the culture of ignoring bad plays that DeAngelo Hall makes simply because of the man that makes them is not something that I need to honor in the name of being unbiased. It's actually quite the opposite.

I was not ever intending to compare Haynesworth off the field to Hall off the field. After work hours, it's not even a comparison. There is enough evidence to believe Albert isn't a good person off the field. I don't hear anything about Hall getting into trouble. That's why Haynesworth-Hall comparisons are unfair, it has nothing to do with on field play.

[SmootSmack]

Well I'm about to board a plane so I dont have time (nor desire) to get into it. But a) I did suggest this offseason that trading Hall should be considered. At least I think I did. And I wasn't exactly defending Hall. I said I love that he makes plays for us. My favorite play in football happens to be a pick 6, so when one of our players does it I happen to love it. At the sane time though, his aggressive style is not all that helpful if there's no steady hand on the other side of the field. Either Hall has to be more disciplined or Barnes,Wilson, or Buch has to be more reliable. Right now, in my opinion, our secondary is our biggest weakness.

As for this thread. He's not top 5.

[GTripp0012]

I love, love, love, when defenses score touchdowns. That was my big criticism of Blache's defense. When Hall ran in the TD to end the first half against Dallas, I was crazy-excited. We hadn't seen that play since 2007, when big-play Carlos Rogers picked off Jon Kitna and ran it back for the TD. When Hall did it again in Week 7 and totally changed the game, that was really cool. When he did it to Flacco on Thursday, that was also really cool. No one can possibly complain about Hall when he's running back an INT: he's probably going to score.

I agree with what Smoot wrote on Thursday night about the secondary being the team's biggest weakness. That was mostly true in 2009 and 2010 as well, with the only exception being that our offense was so weak during those seasons that as bad as our secondary was, we had worse units on the other side of the ball.

It's been weak back there ever since we cut Springs to give Hall a monster deal. Would Springs still be a major contributor on our 2011 team had we not cut him for Hall? No, of course not. We had to get younger sometime. But now that the other shoe (Rogers) has dropped, and we brought in a player stylistically similar (though, IMO, better) than Hall in Josh Wilson, I think we've completed a large downgrade on the outside that took three years to complete: we took our corners from a team strength under Grilliams to a team weakness under Haslett. And we're actually paying out more at the position now than we were before.

And I just don't think you can scheme around having a bottom ten pass defense with creative blitz packages. At some point, the secondary just has to get better.

[SmootSmack]

Sammy Baugh wasnt much of a slouch at DB either, from what I've heard

[doughtydoubter]

Tom Carter ?

[warriorzpath]

Gtripp, I agree with u that both Wilson and hall having similar playing styles-- which can create problems when opposing offenses attack deep because theres only one free safety that can help over top. But I still think that there's a chance that this defense can be successful despite that. There needed to be changes from the bend but don't break philosophy of past redskins d to hasletts philosophy. And part of that was letting go players like Rogers.

And the play with Evans burning hall- hall still had good coverage on Evans. It was just a problem because if hall knew he wasn't going to have safety help - he NEEDS to jam the receiver at the line.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Gtripp, I agree with u that both Wilson and hall having similar playing styles-- which can create problems when opposing offenses attack deep because theres only one free safety that can help over top. But I still think that there's a chance that this defense can be successful despite that. There needed to be changes from the bend but don't break philosophy of past redskins d to hasletts philosophy. And part of that was letting go players like Rogers.

And the play with Evans burning hall- hall still had good coverage on Evans. It was just a problem because if hall knew he wasn't going to have safety help - he NEEDS to jam the receiver at the line.

Well, we certainly expect to improve our run defense over last year, given acceptable linebacker play, and Ryan Kerrigan gives a second legitimate pass rushing threat. So it's not all bad. Haslett's philosophy is that getting pressure on the quarterback can lead to big time plays if you have the right guys on the field.

Are Josh Wilson, DeAngelo Hall, OJ Atogwe, and LaRon Landry the right guys to have on the field? Well, if the pass pressure takes as long to get home as it did last year, there's not much range out there and every one of them is a hard biter on double moves. Plus, those shorter passes are going to be there regardless of the down.

Basically, I think the defense has to excel on first and second down so that this group can drive on routes in third and long. A big problem last year was that we weren't good in standard downs, not to mention passing downs. We're still not going to be very good on passing downs. However, the longer the opponent has to go, the better Wilson, Hall, and Atogwe will look out there in coverage.

Can we stop a 3rd & 4 with those guys on the outside? Probably not against most opponents.

The Redskins have no schematic solution if teams want to spread them out and isolate poorer cover players. And with the Patriots, Cardinals, Bills, Rams, Seahawks, and Eagles on the schedule, I think the pass D could be in for a long year compared to the run D.

[NC_Skins]

In reference to this thread.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

In reference to this thread.

Nice! LOL.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Who played opposite of Darrel Green in the 80s and early 90s Superbowl teams. Does anyone remember without looking it up? I cannot.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Who played opposite of Darrel Green in the 80s and early 90s Superbowl teams. Does anyone remember without looking it up? I cannot.

Yes. Yes I can. Why do you ask?

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yes. Yes I can. Why do you ask?

Because the names escape me. Also with those being Superbowl winning teams, I thought there may be a name or two that we could rank in there. To me this thread seems a little to soon in DH's career with us, but if we are playing the game, then is there a corner in there who you all would rank higher than Dhall. That is all. I know we had some good guys back then, but Green is the one who abviously sticks out in my mind. I was still a little kid back then so my memory is failing me.