Start John Beck Madness Thread

[WilbursHomie]

If we were a super bowl team or A playoff main stay I'd say stay with Grossman. But we're not, I'd say it's time to make the switch. There is no more up side to Beck. We won't get any more yards, we won't score any more points, but he won't do his Brett Favre with down syndrome impression like Grossman often does. Just manage the game for christ sake. Run and Defense, no turn overs, and less 3 and outs and the skin win every time.

[rbanerjee23]

3-1 is really good but the only time we've looked completely in control was the second half against the Giants and kind of in the first half against the Rams. It's not like we've dominated this season.

[NC_Skins]

I wouldn't make a change until it costs us the game. At that point, I'd make the switch.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I wouldn't make a change until it costs us the game. At that point, I'd make the switch.

Isn't that kind of reactive? I mean, if the warning signs are all there saying get rid of this guy, shouldn't the move be made before he costs us a game?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Isn't that kind of reactive? I mean, if the warning signs are all there saying get rid of this guy, shouldn't the move be made before he costs us a game?

No. What happens if you replace him and Beck comes in and plays worse? Go back to Rex? Hell no. You don't pull Rex until it starts costing us games, at that point, you put in Beck and roll with him the rest of the way.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

No. What happens if you replace him and Beck comes in and plays worse? Go back to Rex? Hell no. You don't pull Rex until it starts costing us games, at that point, you put in Beck and roll with him the rest of the way.

What happens if Rex costs us a game or two and Beck comes in and plays really well?

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

What happens if Rex costs us a game or two and Beck comes in and plays really well?

the defense and running game carried us?

either way it doesnt matter to me. personally i never thought rex had a super strong arm but i thought we'd be seeing more of a PA long ball than we have seen so far. i dont remember may passes over the top so far this year. we've had a good bit of 20+ pass plays but nothing over the top which i thought our running game then PA roll out would set up.

ps dirt i meant to mention that. from the surface a what? 15 for 31, 149pass yds, 1 td 2 int stat line is piss poor for a qb who got sacked zero times. is that possibly they worst stat line, qb rating for a qb who got sacked zero times? elias sports bureau? i think his qb rating was 49 or something

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

What happens if Rex costs us a game or two and Beck comes in and plays really well?

Then Beck stays. Duh. BUT, you do not make the change unless and until Rex - and Rex alone - loses the game.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

No. What happens if you replace him and Beck comes in and plays worse? Go back to Rex? Hell no. You don't pull Rex until it starts costing us games, at that point, you put in Beck and roll with him the rest of the way.

I'll throw in my own cliche. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure

My main reason for considering Beck in the first place is a downward trend the last two games. And the usual excuses for poor QB play weren't in place for this game. The running game was excellent as was the protection (0 sacks on the day with only 4 QB hits). If you can get the Rex you got in week 1 then awesome, you don't replace that guy. However the guy we've seen the last two weeks at QB isn't that hard to replace. Also don't forget this is our bye week. If you're going to attempt a switch this is the ideal time.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I'll throw in my own cliche. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure

That's the whole problem, you don't know if that "prevention" is actually a "prevention". It very well could make the symptom worse and not be a cure. Until his play costs us a game, you don't make the switch.

[Mechanix544]

When a coach benches an all pro quarterback in a game where he just wasnt very effective, or he "wasnt in good enough shape to run the 2 minute offense" (Yeah, and grossman is the epitome of physical strength and conditioning, gimme a fvckin break), then I would say after the past two games we have seen from rex grossman, it certainly is well within the realm of possibility that he sits Grossman and gives beck his shot. Who knows, he could break out and be an above average quarterback for us. One thing I know for certain is that we will not keep winning games like this with the subpar qb play we have witnessed the past 2 weeks. We should count ourselves EXTREMELY lucky to be 3-1 at this point. Our record in NO WAY justifies that Rex Grossmans job is safe, for the fact that none of the wins can be attributed to his stellar play, and all of them save for the giants game COULD have EASILY been lost due to the mistakes he is so prone to making, like he is on cue. Those thinking that Shanahan will not bench Rex based solely on the fact that we have won 3 games at this point of the season is fooling themselves. Rex's play is SCREAMING "Bench Me", and I hope and believe that Shanahan will make the correct call, and put in John Beck over the bye week.

As for this season, you will not find a better time to install a new quarterback with your offense. We know that Rex Grossman cannot be counted on, but John Beck has yet to show that he is as mistake prone as Rex. If we can cut out the INTs, fumbles and idiot throws to the other team that they miraculously fail to catch, then we might just see a little more productivity from our offensive group.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

When a coach benches an all pro quarterback in a game where he just wasnt very effective, or he "wasnt in good enough shape to run the 2 minute offense" (Yeah, and grossman is the epitome of physical strength and conditioning, gimme a fvckin break), then I would say after the past two games we have seen from rex grossman, it certainly is well within the realm of possibility that he sits Grossman and gives beck his shot. Who knows, he could break out and be an above average quarterback for us. One thing I know for certain is that we will not keep winning games like this with the subpar qb play we have witnessed the past 2 weeks. We should count ourselves EXTREMELY lucky to be 3-1 at this point. Our record in NO WAY justifies that Rex Grossmans job is safe, for the fact that none of the wins can be attributed to his stellar play, and all of them save for the giants game COULD have EASILY been lost due to the mistakes he is so prone to making, like he is on cue. Those thinking that Shanahan will not bench Rex based solely on the fact that we have won 3 games at this point of the season is fooling themselves. Rex's play is SCREAMING "Bench Me", and I hope and believe that Shanahan will make the correct call, and put in John Beck over the bye week.

As for this season, you will not find a better time to install a new quarterback with your offense. We know that Rex Grossman cannot be counted on, but John Beck has yet to show that he is as mistake prone as Rex. If we can cut out the INTs, fumbles and idiot throws to the other team that they miraculously fail to catch, then we might just see a little more productivity from our offensive group.

So what happens if you put Beck in and he fumbles twice and throws three pics against Philly? Do you go back to Rex? I mean when does the carousel stop?

You bench Rex now and you can't go back to him in my opinion. That is why he won't be benched until he gets hurt or this team is out of contention.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

So what happens if you put Beck in and he fumbles twice and throws three pics against Philly? Do you go back to Rex? I mean when does the carousel stop?

You bench Rex now and you can't go back to him in my opinion. That is why he won't be benched until he gets hurt or this team is out of contention.

Same thing that happens if you keep in Rex and he fumbles twice and throws 3 picks? But if Beck does it then fine you put back in Rex. Still Rex doesn't have the production to justify not considering Beck going into the bye.

I mean why do we keep on saying that the Redskins need to recreate the Hogs but God forbid we consider a QB switch, the type of coaching move that was seen relatively frequently during Gibbs I. By the way Shanahan isn't scared to bench a QB either. He benched Plummer in favor of a rookie Cutler when Plummer was a year removed from the Pro Bowl.

The bottom line is whats best for the team.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Same thing that happens if you keep in Rex and he fumbles twice and throws 3 picks? But if Beck does it then fine you put back in Rex. Still Rex doesn't have the production to justify not considering Beck going into the bye.

I mean why do we keep on saying that the Redskins need to recreate the Hogs but God forbid we consider a QB switch, the type of coaching move that was seen relatively frequently during Gibbs I. By the way Shanahan isn't scared to bench a QB either. He benched Plummer in favor of a rookie Cutler when Plummer was a year removed from the Pro Bowl.

The bottom line is whats best for the team.

I would say that Rex doesn't have the lack of production to consider Beck. I would agree, however, that Beck doesn't have the production to consider Beck.lol

You go to Beck now you have to stick with him - barring an injury. That is the main reason I don't think it will happen. Shanny is not willing to make that gamble and potentially tank the season with the team sitting where it is. He would look like a fool if Beck came in and struggled - losing games single-handedly.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I would say that Rex doesn't have the lack of production to consider Beck. I would agree, however, that Beck doesn't have the production to consider Beck.lol

You go to Beck now you have to stick with him - barring an injury. That is the main reason I don't think it will happen. Shanny is not willing to make that gamble and potentially tank the season with the team sitting where it is. He would look like a fool if Beck came in and struggled - losing games single-handedly.

I don't think it will happen either if I had to bet on who starts against the Eagles. However there is no rule that says you have to stick with a particular QB. It's just rare because of the time and investment needed to develop a QB and get him up to speed. Fortunately we have two QB's that got sufficient reps and attention during training camp, so the usual guidelines don't really apply here. This isn't replacing Grossman for Kerry Collins off the street the week before the season starts.

Really more then anything is it boils down to me wanting to use the bootleg as a supplement to the now productive running game.