2012 NFL Draft-QB Prospects (Chapter 5)

[MTK]

If RG3 is their guy, just trade up to #2 and grab him. Don't F around with the possibility of not getting him. Go big or go home.

Right now it’s easy to be more intrigued by Griffin than anyone else. My preference: getting the best QB you can find is the option. If that means trading up for Griffin, then do it. Shanahan is not one to settle for a guy if he thinks he can land an elite player. There’s no guarantee with any player, but having to trade a couple picks for a guy I think can really play would not be a deterrent. To trade up high in the first round means you’re convinced the player will be elite. If you’re not convinced, don’t do it. There’s nothing the Redskins have needed more for a long time than a franchise QB. If that’s Griffin, get him and don’t hesitate.

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[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

If RG3 is their guy, just trade up to #2 and grab him. Don't F around with the possibility of not getting him. Go big or go home.

Ultimately I agree with this the most. If only Colt McCoy was set in stone to be Cleveland's franchise QB for the long term, then the Redskins would have wiggle room. But, ultimately, it takes a lot of guts to chance a move up to #3, give up picks but maybe not as much, and still wind up without a QB. That could either be the best move the Redskins have ever made, or the stupidest. Moving up to #2 is a no brainer. You're guaranteed a projected elite QB, whether if it's Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III.

[skinsguy]

So, when are these trades actually agreed upon? Is it the day of the draft, minutes before the draft pick comes up, or is weeks prior? I've always assumed these trades are presented right before the team is on the clock for that valued pick. I'm sure they are presented offers from the other teams in advance before draft day, but I'm assuming they don't show their hand until they actually go to pick.

IF it's a case where nothing is set in stone until the team is on the clock, this is interesting to me. For starters, it's gutsy to just trade up to #3. You're assuming Seattle or Miami don't have anything substantial to offer to leap frog all the way up to #2, and you're probably right. BUT, you still have Cleveland, who seems to be the direct competition for the RG III sweepstakes. They have two number one picks in this year's draft. It wouldn't take much for them just to leap up to #2. And, I'm wondering if Cleveland would even HAVE to give up one of those first round picks? I mean, nothing would virtually change for the Rams, because if their pick is Blackmon or Kalil, then those guys are still going to be there at #4 (since the 'skins pick RG III at #3.) So, they might be willing to take a lesser trade with the Browns, move down to #4, and maybe the Browns give away second round picks? I guess the advantages are that the Rams give up virtually nothing by moving down, and they would pick up extra good picks in this year's draft instead of having to wait for future picks, even though those picks could be first rounders. It's a difference between having that juicy double whopper now or waiting later for the New York strip.

If the Browns have no intentions of moving up to #2 at all, then yes, the best move for the Redskins is to move up to #3, give up less, still get RG III. All I know is, I want a QB that can start from day one, and the only two I feel that are capable of that are Luck and Griffin.

[SmootSmack]

Well with Tannehill being hurt and Landry Jones not even coming out, it definitely makes RG3 that much more valuable...but the Rams know that, and last I heard two firsts and a third won't be enough

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well with Tannehill being hurt and Landry Jones not even coming out, it definitely makes RG3 that much more valuable...but the Rams know that, and last I heard two firsts and a third won't be enough

How about two firsts and a conditional pick that could turn into a 2nd?

Either way, for a team with so many needs, you would think the Rams would be crazy to turn something down like that.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

How about two firsts and a conditional pick that could turn into a 2nd?

Either way, for a team with so many needs, you would think the Rams would be crazy to turn something down like that.

Don't think they would turn that down. They are going to publically play the draft game though.

Someone mentioned trading up to 3 before the draft. Another team could leapfrog us on draft day to #2 and draft a QB, leaving us w/ no Luck or Griffin and the #3 pick.

[SmootSmack]

Last I heard, the Rams want at least this year's 1st and 2nd plus next year's 1st and possibly 3rd

[diehard]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Last I heard, the Rams want at least this year's 1st and 2nd plus next year's 1st and possibly 3rd

You tell STL to shove it!

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Last I heard, the Rams want at least this year's 1st and 2nd plus next year's 1st and possibly 3rd

My source told me they are prepared to give up whatever is necessary to get RG3, and are prepared to give up two firsts and (don't quote me on this part) a third (or he said second and third; I don't remember).

He also said Shanahan is looking at it like this, whats the point of saving all these future picks, if his future here is donzo for next year, should he fail with a less quality player (Tannehill for example), than with a high energy-high quality player like RG3 who could bring your team to a winning record. Shanny also knows that snyder likes the big name. If us fans are going ''ahh tannehill'' snyder will here and agree and put Shanahan on a tighter lesh. If its RG3 the fans will like it based on potential, and snyder will like it because its a big name that will put fans in the seats, and it will certainly buy shanahan longer time here in DC. The High quality/potential guy will buy him time, the low quality guy won't.


As for other tid-bits he told me.

I asked him about Matt Flynn, he said he hasn't heard much about him.

Asked about Andrew Luck, he said we all like him, but we all know he's Indy bound.

I asked if we can trade or cut Dhall, he gave me a tight-lipped politically correct answer.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

My source told me they are prepared to give up whatever is necessary to get RG3, and are prepared to give up two firsts and (don't quote me on this part) a third (or he said second and third; I don't remember).

He also said Shanahan is looking at it like this, whats the point of saving all these future picks, if his future here is donzo for next year, should he fail with a less quality player (Tannehill for example), than with a high energy-high quality player like RG3 who could bring your team to a winning record. Shanny also knows that snyder likes the big name. If us fans are going ''ahh tannehill'' snyder will here and agree and put Shanahan on a tighter lesh. If its RG3 the fans will like it based on potential, and snyder will like it because its a big name that will put fans in the seats, and it will certainly buy shanahan longer time here in DC. The High quality/potential guy will buy him time, the low quality guy won't.


As for other tid-bits he told me.

I asked him about Matt Flynn, he said he hasn't heard much about him.

Asked about Andrew Luck, he said we all like him, but we all know he's Indy bound.

I asked if we can trade or cut Dhall, he gave me a tight-lipped politically correct answer.

This year's 1st and 2nd and next year's 1st and 3rd? I'd be OK with that as long as they can land a true #1 in free agency and some O-line help. The RBs and TEs are plenty talented.... at least enough to make the Offense productive with good QB play.

They'd still have 6 picks this year and I believe 7 next year. They've shown they can find some solid players in the mid to late rounds. They could still bring Rex back and draft another QB late or bring in an undrafted guy.

But couldn't Cleveland trump our offer with 2 first round picks THIS year? We'd need them to make a run at Flynn.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

But couldn't Cleveland trump our offer with 2 first round picks THIS year? We'd need them to make a run at Flynn.

With the price that high I actually see both us and Cleveland as less of a threat to trade up for RG3 and see Miami and Seattle suddenly as major players. Anyway at Smoots reported Rams price I'd rather sign Flynn. My price was a 1st and 2nd this year and a conditional 3rd that could turn into a 2nd next year.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by smootsmack

last i heard, the rams want at least this year's 1st and 2nd plus next year's 1st and possibly 3rd

pay it! Now!!!

[CultBrennan59]

2012 Senior Bowl: Ranking Every Prospect Who Will Be Attending | Bleacher Report

Some great prospects will be at the game. Brian Quick WR App St.

Bobby Wagner ILB Utah (Compared to London Fletcher)

The Iowa State CB, said to be a great overall corner.

All the Big Ten and SEC Lineman are also intriguing to me at Guard, Tackle, and Center (also the FSU guy and the UAB guy has a lot of potential it sounds like)

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

2012 Senior Bowl: Ranking Every Prospect Who Will Be Attending | Bleacher Report

Some great prospects will be at the game. Brian Quick WR App St.

Bobby Wagner ILB Utah (Compared to London Fletcher)

The Iowa State CB, said to be a great overall corner.

All the Big Ten and SEC Lineman are also intriguing to me at Guard, Tackle, and Center (also the FSU guy and the UAB guy has a lot of potential it sounds like)

He does look like London Fletcher..check out his video

Bobby Wagner - LB - Utah State - YouTube

[diehardskin2982]

I can understand where Shanny is comming from, if he doesn't make the right move for the right guy it will be his last year in Washington the stakes are very high.