Bountygate Punishment for the Saints

FRPLG · 03-21-2012, 04:12 PM

Wow...just wow. I mean I guess message heard is all that anyone can say. I assume there will be appeals. And I assume they all go to the commissioner. Talk about a death sentence almost.

Paintrain · 03-21-2012, 04:13 PM

Why do people think this is harsh? Sure a year long suspension is severe but for basically 'lack of institutional control' and then subsequently lying to the league about it. Under Roger 'The Hammer' Goodell, the punishment is just about what could be expected. Gregg Williams (2nd G is for GONE) may be done as an NFL coach for the time being. He's going to probably miss at least a season and a half. Don't know how he could get the same as Payton since he was running the bounty program.

Also, Goodell couldn't come back with a soft punishment after he's been drilling the players for the past 2 years. This was a severe, but just punishment.

Lotus · 03-21-2012, 04:40 PM

Note to self: never lie to Roger Goodell. He goes ballistic.

MTK · 03-21-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

Why do people think this is harsh? Sure a year long suspension is severe but for basically 'lack of institutional control' and then subsequently lying to the league about it. Under Roger 'The Hammer' Goodell, the punishment is just about what could be expected. Gregg Williams (2nd G is for GONE) may be done as an NFL coach for the time being. He's going to probably miss at least a season and a half. Don't know how he could get the same as Payton since he was running the bounty program.

Also, Goodell couldn't come back with a soft punishment after he's been drilling the players for the past 2 years. This was a severe, but just punishment.

Yeah I don't know either. Seems about right, and fits with the rumors of the key players getting the boot for a year or more.

I'm kinda surprised that some are taken back by the decision. Sean Payton was reportedly only ready for a 4 game suspension? What was he thinking?

mooby · 03-21-2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Haha, I'm just messing with you.

Glad this crap isn't going to come back on the Skins. If they had used this as an excuse to take away our first pick it would have been the biggest kick to the junk ever.

It would've been a simultaneous kick to the nads of a million or so men the world over, no doubt about that.

NC_Skins · 03-21-2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

Note to self: never lie to Roger Goodell. He goes ballistic.

People should have learned that back with Pacman and Vick. Both lied and both got the hammer.

Bubba305-ST21- · 03-21-2012, 05:16 PM

Will the Rams be able to hire another D coordinator or do they need to fire Williams first? and if so do you think we are in danger of losing Raheem Morris for the job?

hail_2_da_skins · 03-21-2012, 05:19 PM

Roger Goodell has lost his mind. These suspensions are too harsh. The cap penalties on the Cowboys and Redskins was too harsh. Under Goodell's watch the game is getting weaker and weaker. The defense is penalized heavily. What used to be a form tackle now is unnecessary roughness. You can't hit a quarterback. You can't hit a wide receiver coming across the middle. They might as well eliminate tackling and give the guys flags. Instead of the National Football League (NFL), it should be the National Flag Football League (NFFL). Williams should not have paid bounties to injure players but these penalties are going to cripple the Saints. What about the fans. Their team is going to suck. It hurts the Rams because they won't have a defensive coordinator. Goodell hasn't even decided how he is going penalize the players. The Saints might not have a team. What about Williams former teams. Are the Bills and Redskins going to be penalized. This reeks!

SmootSmack · 03-21-2012, 05:20 PM

NFL finds no evidence Redskins had a bounty system - The Insider - The Washington Post

Also, Rams will likely just promote assistant coach Dave McGinnis to interim defensive coordinator

CrustyRedskin · 03-21-2012, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

Roger Goodell has lost his mind. These suspensions are too harsh. The cap penalties on the Cowboys and Redskins was too harsh. Under Goodell's watch the game is getting weaker and weaker. The defense is penalized heavily. What used to be a form tackle now is unnecessary roughness. You can't hit a quarterback. You can't hit a wide receiver coming across the middle. They might as well eliminate tackling and give the guys flags. Instead of the National Football League (NFL), it should be the National Flag Football League (NFFL). Williams should not have paid bounties to injure players but these penalties are going to cripple the Saints. What about the fans. Their team is going to suck. It hurts the Rams because they won't have a defensive coordinator. Goodell hasn't even decided how he is going penalize the players. The Saints might not have a team. What about Williams former teams. Are the Bills and Redskins going to be penalized. This reeks!

Good post.

firstdown · 03-21-2012, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Killer.

I really think this is way too harsh since a lot of teams probably do this and hide it better.

Goodell really likes to make these "I am the king" statements every chance he gets.

Maybe this is to take attention away from the salary cap debacle that will end up being a black eye for the Commish.

I can't believe Sean Peyton is gone...this alone will hurt the team dramatically and could finally send Brees out of town. He still has not signed his franchise tag, right?

I think the reason they are getting hit so hard is because they were warned and did not stop. If that's not the case then why didn't they hit them harder the 1st time.

SmokinSkins · 03-21-2012, 06:08 PM

If I was DS I would be very careful on how he proceeds with the salary cap penalty.
Looks like Goodell has all the aces in his hand.

mbedner3420 · 03-21-2012, 06:42 PM

Is There anyway that we get the saints 2nd picks as compensation should we win in arbitration but lose out on getting all the money back?

mooby · 03-21-2012, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mbedner3420

Is There anyway that we get the saints 2nd picks as compensation should we win in arbitration but lose out on getting all the money back?

??????

You think we should get compensation for the Saints losing draft picks? Call me crazy but I highly doubt that. I think the best scenario is we don't end up paying the rest of the fine next year. We're not getting free draft picks, and if we are they won't be as high as the 2nd or 1st round.

mbedner3420 · 03-21-2012, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

??????

You think we should get compensation for the Saints losing draft picks? Call me crazy but I highly doubt that. I think the best scenario is we don't end up paying the rest of the fine next year. We're not getting free draft picks, and if we are they won't be as high as the 2nd or 1st round.

I don't expect it but I have heard draft picks as possible compensation being tossed around before.

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03-21-2012, 04:12 PM	#61
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints Wow...just wow. I mean I guess message heard is all that anyone can say. I assume there will be appeals. And I assume they all go to the commissioner. Talk about a death sentence almost.

03-21-2012, 04:13 PM	#62
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints Why do people think this is harsh? Sure a year long suspension is severe but for basically 'lack of institutional control' and then subsequently lying to the league about it. Under Roger 'The Hammer' Goodell, the punishment is just about what could be expected. Gregg Williams (2nd G is for GONE) may be done as an NFL coach for the time being. He's going to probably miss at least a season and a half. Don't know how he could get the same as Payton since he was running the bounty program. Also, Goodell couldn't come back with a soft punishment after he's been drilling the players for the past 2 years. This was a severe, but just punishment. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

03-21-2012, 04:40 PM	#63
Lotus Fire Bruce NOW Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 11,434	Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints Note to self: never lie to Roger Goodell. He goes ballistic. __________________ Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250) Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350) Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444) Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430) We won more with Vinny

03-21-2012, 05:16 PM	#67
Bubba305-ST21- Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Age: 36 Posts: 683	Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints Will the Rams be able to hire another D coordinator or do they need to fire Williams first? and if so do you think we are in danger of losing Raheem Morris for the job? __________________ never another.....R.I.P. Sean T #21

03-21-2012, 05:19 PM	#68
hail_2_da_skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 68 Posts: 868	Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints Roger Goodell has lost his mind. These suspensions are too harsh. The cap penalties on the Cowboys and Redskins was too harsh. Under Goodell's watch the game is getting weaker and weaker. The defense is penalized heavily. What used to be a form tackle now is unnecessary roughness. You can't hit a quarterback. You can't hit a wide receiver coming across the middle. They might as well eliminate tackling and give the guys flags. Instead of the National Football League (NFL), it should be the National Flag Football League (NFFL). Williams should not have paid bounties to injure players but these penalties are going to cripple the Saints. What about the fans. Their team is going to suck. It hurts the Rams because they won't have a defensive coordinator. Goodell hasn't even decided how he is going penalize the players. The Saints might not have a team. What about Williams former teams. Are the Bills and Redskins going to be penalized. This reeks! __________________ "HAIL TO THE SKINS"

03-21-2012, 05:20 PM	#69
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints NFL finds no evidence Redskins had a bounty system - The Insider - The Washington Post Also, Rams will likely just promote assistant coach Dave McGinnis to interim defensive coordinator __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-21-2012, 06:08 PM	#72
SmokinSkins Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 20	Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints If I was DS I would be very careful on how he proceeds with the salary cap penalty. Looks like Goodell has all the aces in his hand.

03-21-2012, 06:42 PM	#73
mbedner3420 The Starter Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,900	Re: Bountygate Punishment for the Saints Is There anyway that we get the saints 2nd picks as compensation should we win in arbitration but lose out on getting all the money back?

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