Samari or Freddy?

Monksdown · 02-28-2005, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Big C

look, the other FA we brought in that one year, sanders smith, etc. were all in their mid thirties. rolle is 28, and williams has coached him before. he knows what kind of player he is. if williams says hes the kind of player for HIS defense, then let it happen

Big C, I am squarely in your camp.

TheMalcolmConnection · 02-28-2005, 02:04 PM

I'm on the fence on this one. Granted, Williams IS the NFL coach here and not me, I just don't quite understand why he would let Smoot walk. Saying that, I also agree with who posted that we should have at least OFFERED Smoot the kind of money that Rolle is asking.

PSUskinsfan11 · 02-28-2005, 02:09 PM

I will be very let down if we sign Rolle. He is a hell of a player but so is Smoot. Smoot has already expressed how much he wants to be back. I will be very pissed off to see them give Rolle a contract bigger than the one that Smoot is asking for. He is a true Redskin and I can already see Gibbs having character problems with Rolle in the future. I really hope the front office thinks about this before offering him a contract. BRING BACK SMOOT!!!!!!

drew54 · 02-28-2005, 02:08 PM

I think Pasta is up to his "I hate the Redskins agenda."

TheMalcolmConnection · 02-28-2005, 02:08 PM

Very true, very true... I love optimism.

BigSKINBauer · 02-28-2005, 02:10 PM

i can honestly say i love smoooooot dog and i don't want him to leave our team. it is bewildering to me that we can pay rolle that much his production is obviously down and last season was major low point in his career.

POSITIVES OF BOTH
We must remember however that ROLLE was under greg williams for his first few seasons and i believe that he may go back to that level of production. the titans went to the superbowl with both a good defense and offense and rolle was part of that team. he did pick off 6 int in the 2003-2004 season. He is probally in the top 7 CB in the league and is a coveted free agent this year.

Smoot has improved greatly this season just like most everyone else on our team. he is definitly a leader on the team as are others but he is the voice. We hear him and get to see him. He is a true redskin one that has fun on the field. we can remember his dance after a sack in the lions game that washington got. it cost us 15 yards but we all must of laughed after we got the ball back. he is a face of the team and is probally.....no most definatly the best "NUMBER 2" CB in the league.

COMPARE
Rolle is probally better . he is known to be one of the best. But smoot has been the team his whole career. Rolle is a wife beater while smoot is a city lover. money is a surprising issue in that 12-14 million and we may pay rolle 15 million, it could be less and the difference in the bonus could be only a million. I don't think he can be compared at all to deion or bruce smith, they were past their peaks and samari is just getting started he could have another 7 good years if he is lucky. Both have experience with greg but samari seems to be greg's favorite. WIlliams knows the players more than any of us, we are just fans and reporters are just reporters and when williams is aware of both of their strengths and what they mean to the team. If GW Is OK then i will trust his judgement.

???? WHAT ABOUT TY LAW?

TheMalcolmConnection · 02-28-2005, 02:21 PM

So tonight at midnight is the beginning of the free agency process eh? I can't wait to see what will happen tomorrow.

BigSKINBauer · 02-28-2005, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

So tonight at midnight is the beginning of the free agency process eh? I can't wait to see what will happen tomorrow.

isn't wednesday at 12:00 am the beginning tommorrow at midnight not tonight, inform me if i'm wrong!

TheMalcolmConnection · 02-28-2005, 02:27 PM

I'm actually not sure. I thought it was tonight. Anybody else got some info on this?

Redskins_P · 02-28-2005, 02:27 PM

March 2nd is the official date...

TheMalcolmConnection · 02-28-2005, 02:28 PM

Ah... that's right. For some reason I thought today was the 1st. Argh.

BigSKINBauer · 02-28-2005, 02:28 PM

yeah thats tommorow night. one more day for snyder to work that magic

celts32 · 02-28-2005, 02:30 PM

It makes no f-ing sense to me how they can justify not paying Smoot and then paying more money for his older replacement. it would be one thing if they decided they could not afford Smoot and then signed a less expensive free agent replacement. This is just typical Redskins though, in valueing other teams players more than their own. How in the world can you say on one hand that giving Smoot his demands will cost you other players and then go out and spend even more money on a different CB. I really thought Coach Gibbs was going to put a stop to the revolving free agency door. I am really disapointed today, becasue this proves that the Redskins have not changed at all. They may be better coached now, but the front office thinking has not changed one bit. very disapointing...

Redskins_P · 02-28-2005, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by celts32

It makes no f-ing sense to me how they can justify not paying Smoot and then paying more money for his older replacement. it would be one thing if they decided they could not afford Smoot and then signed a less expensive free agent replacement. This is just typical Redskins though, in valueing other teams players more than their own. How in the world can you say on one hand that giving Smoot his demands will cost you other players and then go out and spend even more money on a different CB. I really thought Coach Gibbs was going to put a stop to the revolving free agency door. I am really disapointed today, becasue this proves that the Redskins have not changed at all. They may be better coached now, but the front office thinking has not changed one bit. very disapointing...

I agree, but just to let you know....Rolle is only 2 years older than Smoot.

celts32 · 02-28-2005, 02:37 PM

I know Rolle is not over the hill, but he's still older. Two years is two full seasons. When you are only talking about 10-12 year carreers two years is a significant percentage of a players career. This makes no sense to me at all. Smoot you could say is still getting better in this league. Rolle has peeked and if he's better than Smoot now it's only marginally better. This is the kind of move that aggravates me to no end with the Redskins. No matter how much of a Redskins apologist anyone on this site is, there is just no way that anyone in their right mind can justify this move. When the hell will the Redskins stop valueing other teams players more than their own? They talk about core redskins and wanting to play here. It's a f-ing 2 way street Danny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

View Poll Results: 2005 Starting CBs: Springs and...
Smoot	38	65.52%
Harris	4	6.90%
Wilds	5	8.62%
Rolle	7	12.07%
Other (who?)	4	6.90%
Voters: 58. You may not vote on this poll

02-28-2005, 02:04 PM	#2
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Samari or Freddy? I'm on the fence on this one. Granted, Williams IS the NFL coach here and not me, I just don't quite understand why he would let Smoot walk. Saying that, I also agree with who posted that we should have at least OFFERED Smoot the kind of money that Rolle is asking. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

02-28-2005, 02:09 PM	#3
PSUskinsfan11 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the port, PA Age: 41 Posts: 692	Re: Samari or Freddy? I will be very let down if we sign Rolle. He is a hell of a player but so is Smoot. Smoot has already expressed how much he wants to be back. I will be very pissed off to see them give Rolle a contract bigger than the one that Smoot is asking for. He is a true Redskin and I can already see Gibbs having character problems with Rolle in the future. I really hope the front office thinks about this before offering him a contract. BRING BACK SMOOT!!!!!!

02-28-2005, 02:08 PM	#4
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 43 Posts: 1,324	Re: Samari or Freddy? I think Pasta is up to his "I hate the Redskins agenda."

02-28-2005, 02:08 PM	#5
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Samari or Freddy? Very true, very true... I love optimism. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

02-28-2005, 02:10 PM	#6
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 38 Posts: 5,688	Re: Samari or Freddy? i can honestly say i love smoooooot dog and i don't want him to leave our team. it is bewildering to me that we can pay rolle that much his production is obviously down and last season was major low point in his career. POSITIVES OF BOTH We must remember however that ROLLE was under greg williams for his first few seasons and i believe that he may go back to that level of production. the titans went to the superbowl with both a good defense and offense and rolle was part of that team. he did pick off 6 int in the 2003-2004 season. He is probally in the top 7 CB in the league and is a coveted free agent this year. Smoot has improved greatly this season just like most everyone else on our team. he is definitly a leader on the team as are others but he is the voice. We hear him and get to see him. He is a true redskin one that has fun on the field. we can remember his dance after a sack in the lions game that washington got. it cost us 15 yards but we all must of laughed after we got the ball back. he is a face of the team and is probally.....no most definatly the best "NUMBER 2" CB in the league. COMPARE Rolle is probally better . he is known to be one of the best. But smoot has been the team his whole career. Rolle is a wife beater while smoot is a city lover. money is a surprising issue in that 12-14 million and we may pay rolle 15 million, it could be less and the difference in the bonus could be only a million. I don't think he can be compared at all to deion or bruce smith, they were past their peaks and samari is just getting started he could have another 7 good years if he is lucky. Both have experience with greg but samari seems to be greg's favorite. WIlliams knows the players more than any of us, we are just fans and reporters are just reporters and when williams is aware of both of their strengths and what they mean to the team. If GW Is OK then i will trust his judgement. ???? WHAT ABOUT TY LAW?

02-28-2005, 02:21 PM	#7
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Samari or Freddy? So tonight at midnight is the beginning of the free agency process eh? I can't wait to see what will happen tomorrow. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

02-28-2005, 02:27 PM	#9
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Samari or Freddy? I'm actually not sure. I thought it was tonight. Anybody else got some info on this? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

02-28-2005, 02:27 PM	#10
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 48 Posts: 4,101	Re: Samari or Freddy? March 2nd is the official date...

02-28-2005, 02:28 PM	#11
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Samari or Freddy? Ah... that's right. For some reason I thought today was the 1st. Argh. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

02-28-2005, 02:28 PM	#12
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 38 Posts: 5,688	Re: Samari or Freddy? yeah thats tommorow night. one more day for snyder to work that magic

02-28-2005, 02:30 PM	#13
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 55 Posts: 2,665	Re: Samari or Freddy? It makes no f-ing sense to me how they can justify not paying Smoot and then paying more money for his older replacement. it would be one thing if they decided they could not afford Smoot and then signed a less expensive free agent replacement. This is just typical Redskins though, in valueing other teams players more than their own. How in the world can you say on one hand that giving Smoot his demands will cost you other players and then go out and spend even more money on a different CB. I really thought Coach Gibbs was going to put a stop to the revolving free agency door. I am really disapointed today, becasue this proves that the Redskins have not changed at all. They may be better coached now, but the front office thinking has not changed one bit. very disapointing...

02-28-2005, 02:37 PM	#15
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 55 Posts: 2,665	Re: Samari or Freddy? I know Rolle is not over the hill, but he's still older. Two years is two full seasons. When you are only talking about 10-12 year carreers two years is a significant percentage of a players career. This makes no sense to me at all. Smoot you could say is still getting better in this league. Rolle has peeked and if he's better than Smoot now it's only marginally better. This is the kind of move that aggravates me to no end with the Redskins. No matter how much of a Redskins apologist anyone on this site is, there is just no way that anyone in their right mind can justify this move. When the hell will the Redskins stop valueing other teams players more than their own? They talk about core redskins and wanting to play here. It's a f-ing 2 way street Danny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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