Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not)

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Prove it

The contracts of Cofield, Bowen, Merriwether, Garcon and Morgan together are greater than Haynesworth, no?

You can give Cofield the benefit of the doubt, which I do, and say he's out of position.

The rest is just blah. Guys that for one reason or another don't contribute much, but the overarching theme is we spent a wad of cash on high-risk/uncertain reward type players. Garcon and Morgan have done nothing in their careers up to this point to justify what they were given. I don't care that another franchise may have given them the same. How are those franchises doing btw? The Niners clearly let Morgan walk, and appear to be better off because of it, no?

In short, Mike's FA moves overall have been a gigantic failure, as were Cerrato's. It's the reaction (talking about fans here) that's been different, but again I don't suspect it will last much longer.

[Coff]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The similarities between this regime and the Cerrato/Zorn regime (if you could call it that) are pretty mind-blowing.

1) Big FA signings that don't make sense, and don't have any impact. Cerrato/Zorn became infamous for Fat Albert. BA/Shanny, on the other hand, signed a handful of players that altogether add up to more than the Haynesworth contract, and have made even less impact. The difference being this regime is given a pass by most of the fan base, at least up to this point.

2) Bizarre play-calling and play-design, that some try to explain as genius now, whereas Zorn took a ton of shit for it.

3) Poor discipline and preparation, as evidenced in two games already where players just lost it (St. Louis and Pittsburgh).

They're eerily similar side by side, but again this regime is constantly given the benefit of the doubt despite results as poor as Zorn achieved.

Interesting thoughts, but I'm going to have to bring up some counterpoints.

Numbers 1 and 3 have been pretty consistent for every coaching staff since Richie Petibon.

As for number 2, that has actually been a frequent criticism of the current coaching staff. Every time the Skins fail to convert a third down, the Warpath is replete with people blaming Kyle Shanahan. But the biggest issue is that while the criticism is as common of Kyle and Dad Shanahan as it was with Zorn, at least the Shannys are actually scoring. The Skins right now are 6th and 7th in the league in PPG and YPG, and that's with a depleted receiving corp and a shaky-at-best offensive line.

I may stand with the minority opinion here, but I think the Shanahans should be lauded for the offense they have put in place for RGIII. One thing's for sure, McNabb's comments that they are intractable when it comes to adjusting schemes to players has been very clearly proven wrong.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Coff

I may stand with the minority opinion here, but I think the Shanahans should be lauded for the offense they have put in place for RGIII. One thing's for sure, McNabb's comments that they are intractable when it comes to adjusting schemes to players has been very clearly proven wrong.

Well I agree with you. And since I'm a moderator, you're wise to agree with me.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Coff

Interesting thoughts, but I'm going to have to bring up some counterpoints.

Numbers 1 and 3 have been pretty consistent for every coaching staff since Richie Petibon.

As for number 2, that has actually been a frequent criticism of the current coaching staff. Every time the Skins fail to convert a third down, the Warpath is replete with people blaming Kyle Shanahan. But the biggest issue is that while the criticism is as common of Kyle and Dad Shanahan as it was with Zorn, at least the Shannys are actually scoring. The Skins right now are 6th and 7th in the league in PPG and YPG, and that's with a depleted receiving corp and a shaky-at-best offensive line.

I may stand with the minority opinion here, but I think the Shanahans should be lauded for the offense they have put in place for RGIII. One thing's for sure, McNabb's comments that they are intractable when it comes to adjusting schemes to players has been very clearly proven wrong.

Strong post. It's amazing that the server hasn't crashed due to such logical thinking.

[hail_2_da_skins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The similarities between this regime and the Cerrato/Zorn regime (if you could call it that) are pretty mind-blowing.

1) Big FA signings that don't make sense, and don't have any impact. Cerrato/Zorn became infamous for Fat Albert. BA/Shanny, on the other hand, signed a handful of players that altogether add up to more than the Haynesworth contract, and have made even less impact. The difference being this regime is given a pass by most of the fan base, at least up to this point.

2) Bizarre play-calling and play-design, that some try to explain as genius now, whereas Zorn took a ton of shit for it.

3) Poor discipline and preparation, as evidenced in two games already where players just lost it (St. Louis and Pittsburgh).

They're eerily similar side by side, but again this regime is constantly given the benefit of the doubt despite results as poor as Zorn achieved.

You are wrong on every point except for the poor discipline.

1) What big name free agent signings are you referring to? The Skins signed mid-range free agents that addressed specific needs. No high priced, under performing, washed up bums.
2) The bizarre play calling is putting up big points and is exciting to watch.
3) The blowup by Dante Hall and Josh Morgan throwing the ball at the defender were the worst cases of poor discipline. Hall most likely will be fined and/or suspended.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

You are wrong on every point except for the poor discipline.

1) What big name free agent signings are you referring to? The Skins signed mid-range free agents that addressed specific needs. No high priced, under performing, washed up bums.
2) The bizarre play calling is putting up big points and is exciting to watch.
3) The blowup by Dante Hall and Josh Morgan throwing the ball at the defender were the worst cases of poor discipline. Hall most likely will be fined and/or suspended.

Well McNabb wasn't a FA....but he cost us a 3rd rd pick and it was pretty stupid. Not in hindsight either....that had dumbass written all over it the very day it happened.

[44ever]

Same ol' Redskins.... Same ol' Fans.... You guys have lost your minds!
No!!! We do not replace Has mid season. Nor do we replace him after this season. We simply do not have all the holes filled yet. If we start over again, we will be talking like this for the next 5 years...

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Same ol' Redskins.... Same ol' Fans.... You guys have lost your minds!
No!!! We do not replace Has mid season. Nor do we replace him after this season. We simply do not have all the holes filled yet. If we start over again, we will be talking like this for the next 5 years...

I'm not completely sold on switching from 3-4 back to 4-3 and saying that 3-4 may cause turnovers but not stopping points.

I'd rather us get a coordinator that KNOWS the 3-4. Asking a dude that's better in the 4-3 than 3-4 is like asking Tom Brady to run the option: He'll do it but it's gonna look really f'ing ugly.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Speaking of the 3-4 and turnovers, was that something proven or was it just someone saying, "We're going to get a lot more turnovers in the 3-4"?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Speaking of the 3-4 and turnovers, was that something proven or was it just someone saying, "We're going to get a lot more turnovers in the 3-4"?

I believe Shanny wanted to institute the 3-4 because the film study he did in his year off from coaching led him to believe it's the best defense as far as stopping offenses go as well as it forces more turnovers. Idk, I mean the Bears have ran a 4-3 for a while now and their defense is still balling. Whatever way they decide to go, idc what it is, as long as it produces results.

[mooby]

I voted wait until after the season but if he's already lost the players, and we have another poor performance against the Panthers (a very real posssibility) I can definitely see us getting rid of him at the bye week. Who would I replace him with? Probably Bob Slowik. I doubt he'd do a much better job but then again it can't get much worse than Haslett. I'm still not sure why they'd ask Haslett to do the job if he didn't want to run a 3-4 in the first place though.

[MTK]

I still say it doesn't matter what sort of front we run as long as the secondary stinks. If we changed to a 4-3 right now, do you really think anything would be different?

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I still say it doesn't matter what sort of front we run as long as the secondary stinks. If we changed to a 4-3 right now, do you really think anything would be different?

Only if it brought more pressure on the QB which I think was probably the reason for switching to the 3-4 in the first place. We want to be like the team that just kicked our ass. Seems to work pretty well for them. But we have a secondary that beyond sucks and a DC that isn't very proficient at running it.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I still say it doesn't matter what sort of front we run as long as the secondary stinks. If we changed to a 4-3 right now, do you really think anything would be different?

I pointed this out before but right now we don't really have 4-3 personnel, mainly due to the fact that we're short on traditional linebackers.

I mean lets see.

OLB - Perry Riley (Coverage liability)
MLB - Fletcher
OLB - Orakpo

LDE - Carriker
DT - Bowen
DT - Cofield
RDE - Kerrigan

Ironically we have great depth on the defensive line, so much that it would be hard to give our best players up front snaps while on the back end we have an average at best LB corps. Then again that could be rectified with one offseason so maybe a switch is in the cards but theres no doubt about the fact that this team has made the transition to the 3-4.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I pointed this out before but right now we don't really have 4-3 personnel, mainly due to the fact that we're short on traditional linebackers.

I mean lets see.

OLB - Perry Riley (Coverage liability)
MLB - Fletcher
OLB - Orakpo

LDE - Carriker
DT - Bowen
DT - Cofield
RDE - Kerrigan

Ironically we have great depth on the defensive line, so much that it would be hard to give our best players up front snaps while on the back end we have an average at best LB corps. Then again that could be rectified with one offseason so maybe a switch is in the cards but theres no doubt about the fact that this team has made the transition to the 3-4.

No way do we have a 4-3 personal. Bowen is NOT a DT. Orakpo is NOT a 4-3 linebacker. Those 2 are wayyyyyy outta position.