Let's face it. Our WRs are set...

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Hopefully behind a much-improved line these guys will finally get the chance TO prove themselves.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I would bet $100 that over 70% of the Warpathers will be asking for a new starting WR next offseason.

Any takers?

[e16bball]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I would bet $100 that over 70% of the Warpathers will be asking for a new starting WR next offseason.

Any takers?

I'm not shocked that no one took you up on that bet RamseyFan. The fact is, we sit here and try to be over-optimistic, and tell ourselves that we added Moss and Patten, our WRs are okay. But in our hearts, we can see clearly that we are not okay. Redskins fans bitched and moaned all of last season (well all of the last part of the season, at the beginning of the season there was too much Brunell bitching to fit in any other complaints) about our lack of effective WRs, and believe me, I was at the forefront. And whether we like to admit it or not, we have not improved on that area. It's easy to convince ourselves that we have, with all the changes, but at best we have broken even.

I can understand that if people aren't sold on Mike Williams, they might not want to trade up for him, but if he makes to number 9 he has to be ours, write it down, lights out, 3 minutes to make the pick. Not Antrel Rolle, not Pac-Man Jones, not Shawne Merriman. Nobody is enough to warrant passing on him.

With Williams, our WR corps is set for years. He is young, Moss is young, Jacobs is young. Those guys are absolutely the mirror image of Monk, Sanders, and Clark, and could be together for 6 years or more.

[offiss]

I want Gardner gone regardless, I don't care what we get for him, a lot of guy's here are falling back into that trap with Gardner, trust me he will burn you again like he alway's does, I don't care if he beat's out everyone for the job he will burn us in the game, reliability help's to build trust on offense and trust bring's continuity, well that ain't happening with Gardner, he's the little girl with the curl, she's nice to look at, and she'll give you a smile, but she will break your heart everytime, Gardner has to go, I said it before and I will say it again he's part of what we are trying to get away from as a team.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by BossHog

Get this into your freakin' head people! We will not be drafting a WR in the early rounds in the upcoming draft! No Mike Williams, no Troy Williamson, no Mark Clayton. With the additions of Moss and Patten along with Thrash, Jacobs, and Gibbs' reiterated favorite, McCants, why? It's more likely for us to draft a WR in the later rounds who's willing to be the return man and do the dirty work on special teams. Our draft priorities should reflect need at CB, DL, MLB, TE, in no particular order. I believe it's imperative that we trade down for a lower first rounder and a second rounder. And if we can get at least a third round pick for the Gardner trade, we should be able to fufill those needs with some great talent. How's this?

1. CB Marlin Jackson Michigan
2. DE Matt Roth Iowa
3. TE Alex Smitn Stanford
3. MLB Barrett Rudd Nebraska
4. DT Eric Coleman Clemson
5. WR Jerome Mathis Hampton (That's right! He won't be selected in the early rounds)
6. C Vince Carter Oklahoma
7. Go figure

Of course, the chips don't have to fall exactly this way. As every selection garners consideration of drafting the best player available that fills your need.

If either William's or Edward's is there when we pick were taking taking 1 of them! Patten was the #4 reciever for the Pat's this past season, and Moss was being demoted from #1 to #3 those are the fact's, the only way we trade down is if both are gone.

I want to know where all the big time Lavar supporter's are? If we keep yapping about a DE obviously nobody has any real belief that Lavar will be able to pressure the QB? And if he is everything everyone here say's he is we will pressure the QB as well as anyone. If we were the #3 D without Lavar we should be able to better that with him, In which case improving 1 of the best defenses in the league at the expense of 1 of the worst offenses in the league is just ridiculous.

Jackson, Mathis, and Carter are good pick's, but good luck getting them in the round's your presenting, only if we trade down and take Jackson in the first rd. will we get him, I would like to add Vincent Jackson WR to that list, only if we miss out on the big 2, then and only then if we know we can get a #1 reciever in the second rd. do we look to take Jackson in the first after we trade down, and a backup center/guard to groom is more of a necessity right now than a DE.

[SKINZ_DOMIN8]

That's my point you just made for me. Thank you. Garbage in garbage out. Cut him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SKINZ_DOMIN8

That's my point you just made for me. Thank you. Garbage in garbage out. Cut him.

zackmills?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

zackmills?

That's what I was thinking!

Originally Posted by Daesel

Gardner made some huge catches for us, he's definitely better than any WR on our roster right now. He can be a 1000yard #1 receiver. He's shown that.

When has he shown that? He had one 1,000 yard season (the same number as Moss) in '02.. He is WAY too inconsistent to be a #1 receiver. He makes the spectacular catches you'd expect from a #1 but he also drops passes and false starts like you'd expect from a right tackle..

[Daseal]

When was the last time he broke a tackle for a long gain? Not this past season.

How many times did anyone last year? Very few. Gardner made some huge catches for us, he's definitely better than any WR on our roster right now. He can be a 1000yard #1 receiver. He's shown that.

[SKINZ_DOMIN8]

Originally Posted by Daseal

How many times did anyone last year? Very few. Gardner made some huge catches for us, he's definitely better than any WR on our roster right now. He can be a 1000yard #1 receiver. He's shown that.

Are you on drugs? Gardner better than Patten and/or Moss??????????

Seriously, are you on drugs or not???????

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SKINZ_DOMIN8

Are you on drugs? Gardner better than Patten and/or Moss??????????

Seriously, are you on drugs or not???????

Statistically, Gardner is better than both. But stats aren't the be all end all.

There's definately room to argue that Gardner is as good as either of them. When you factor in who Moss and Patten were surrounded by (i.e. Pennington and Brady - two of the league's best QBs), I think there's definately room for argument about the issue.

To say categorically that Gardner is better or worse than either of them isn't that wise IMHO.

A close friend of mine is a HUGE Jets fan and he's been bitching about Moss just as much as we've been bitching about Gardner, albeit for different reasons.

[Longtimefan]

This time last year everyone was talking about how bad our Defense was going to be. No Tackles, no DE (Rusher) Defense was our strongest suite. I said the Defense would be just fine with what we had, "No Miracle"

I'm going to say this year our WR are going to be just fine because I'm not going to compare what our new additions did with their previous teams. However, viewing the stats of both Moss and Patten the average YPC is better than anything we had last year. Eighteen yards per catch is far better than average, and while neither of them caught 90 balls like Coles did think what their total yards would look like if they did.

Plus, just their presence on the field will make life much more bearable for Portis. The Defense has to respect that speed, and getting that 8th man out the box will make a tremendous difference. Also drafting a Receiver at #9, even one of MW caliber commands a huge signing bonus and considerable $$ we're up against the cap. Many $$ already invested in the WR position.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

This time last year everyone was talking about how bad our Defense was going to be. No Tackles, no DE (Rusher) Defense was our strongest suite. I said the Defense would be just fine with what we had, "No Miracle"

I'm going to say this year our WR are going to be just fine because I'm not going to compare what our new additions did with their previous teams. However, viewing the stats of both Moss and Patten the average YPC is better than anything we had last year. Eighteen yards per catch is far better than average, and while neither of them caught 90 balls like Coles did think what their total yards would look like if they did.

Plus, just their presence on the field will make life much more bearable for Portis. The Defense has to respect that speed, and getting that 8th man out the box will make a tremendous difference. Also drafting a Receiver at #9, even one of MW caliber commands a huge signing bonus and considerable $$ we're up against the cap. Many $$ already invested in the WR position.

only now they'll be covered by #1 CBs not 2s, 3s, and safeties...