RG3 is back

[tshile]

yeah it seemed like the points we left on the table were because of mccoy though.

we should have been up 14+ at halftime. easily. defense was playing lights out first half and offense couldn't do anything.

i suppose i may just be weighing the first half too heavy, and the second too light.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by tshile

I don't get the opinions that Colt looked anything other than decent enough.

Maybe I'm just not giving him enough credit for the 2nd half?

I saw a QB that we were lucky didn't screw the game up for us...

I thought he made some very good plays and some poor plays. Where he hurt us the most was with a few mental errors, one of which could have cost us the game in regulation time.

All things considered, he really competed and he made some fine plays that helped us win the game. I felt that he did a good job of not missing on the deep throws to DJAX, The touch pass to Reed on the sideline was excellent, and the TD run on the QB draw was outstanding. Most importantly, he got the job done in OT.

[TheSmurfs22]

I wish they would hold off on RG3 until after the bye. Seems like devaju again.

[Evilgrin]

He needs game time, gotta find out if he can play. Shake off all the rust.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by tshile

I don't get the opinions that Colt looked anything other than decent enough.

Maybe I'm just not giving him enough credit for the 2nd half?

I saw a QB that we were lucky didn't screw the game up for us...

I don't understand your last point at all. Makes absolutely zero sense to me

[tc2deuce]

You got to go with McCoy on Sunday (no question) RGIII is just going to be set up to fail if he starts IMO

[over the mountain]

''From a physical standpoint he looks good,'' Gruden said. ''Now it's a matter of mental and getting back into the football part of it. If he looks good in that regard, then there's a chance he could play. And, if not, if he needs another week, he'll take another week.''

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/full-pr...9642--nfl.html

two things really concern me:

1. coach gruden clearly states that RG3 needs to be (1) healthy and (2) has to prove he is mentally ready. The question isnt just whether RG3 is healthy or medically cleared. How could RG3 have already proven he is mentally ready by running the scout team last week and one walk through yesterday?

an RG3 offense is a lot different than a cousins or colt offense. The entire offense could benefit from re-adjusting to a RG3 style offense during the bye.

if we run that basic HS offense we ran in week 1, i think a lot of fans and d jax are not going to be happy.

2. a leak from multiple redskin sources? WTF? clearly gruden wanted to keep things under wraps but now, after 1 walk through, we have leaks in our house? i really hope gruden and allen find the leak and take care of it.



this is all water under the bridge if RG3 shows he can run gruden's offense and we win.

if he doesnt, i foresee a typical redskins off-field drama playing out in the media for weeks. .. and a lot more "leaks".

[Alvin Walton]

NFL.com front page is saying he is starting, so......

[tshile]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't understand your last point at all. Makes absolutely zero sense to me

Delay of games.
Calling the wrong play in the huddle.
Blowing timeouts to avoid even more delay of games.
Having multiple defensive stops/turnovers to start the game against an that offense, that coming into the game was really hot, but not capitalizing on them. Not capitalizing on this normally leads to losing the game later on...

It's not an opinion centered around stats, it's one centered around the eye test. McCoy just didn't look ready/prepared to me for quite a bit.

We stayed in the game because our defense played great from start to finish. And McCoy eventually settled in. But in the totality of the game, I personally am surprised Dallas wasn't able to get over the hump and eventually win.

When you listen to redskins fans and media you'd think McCoy had a lights out performance. That's just not what I saw at all.

Even more so, people are using the performance to justify not starting Griffin even if he is 'ready.' Which to me is absurd. To take that one game and walk away saying McCoy gives us a better chance to win than Griffin seems absurd to me. Yet, there are a lot of people doing it...

[skinsguy]

Glad RGIII is back! I wonder if McCoy's stock went up after these last two games?

Personally, I'd probably have started McCoy. If he was able to lead the 'skins to another win, then you're heading into a bye week at 4-5 with Tampa Bay on the other end of the bye. Perfect time for RGIII to make his return.

Playing devil's advocate, what if RGIII has a bad game against Minnesota and he's left to "think about it" throughout the bye? That might be worse on his confidence than to simply let him sit or at least let him serve as backup to McCoy for the Minnesota game.

Seeing as how these quarterbacks seem to do better coming off of the bench after the flow of the game has started, I'd almost start McCoy and maybe mix RGIII into the game plan depending upon how the game is going.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by tshile

Delay of games.
Calling the wrong play in the huddle.
Blowing timeouts to avoid even more delay of games.
Having multiple defensive stops/turnovers to start the game against an that offense, that coming into the game was really hot, but not capitalizing on them. Not capitalizing on this normally leads to losing the game later on...

It's not an opinion centered around stats, it's one centered around the eye test. McCoy just didn't look ready/prepared to me for quite a bit.

We stayed in the game because our defense played great from start to finish. And McCoy eventually settled in. But in the totality of the game, I personally am surprised Dallas wasn't able to get over the hump and eventually win.

When you listen to redskins fans and media you'd think McCoy had a lights out performance. That's just not what I saw at all.

Even more so, people are using the performance to justify not starting Griffin even if he is 'ready.' Which to me is absurd. To take that one game and walk away saying McCoy gives us a better chance to win than Griffin seems absurd to me. Yet, there are a lot of people doing it...

McCoy was extremely nervous in the beginning and it showed. Heck, it showed in his pre-game interview. And, absolutely, he made some mental mistakes. But the thing is, these are mistakes that are easily corrected. McCoy showed an ability to hang in and make the big plays when the team needed them the most. That's something Kirk hasn't been able to do this year.

I think it really all depends upon how mentally ready RGIII is. He could very well come in and make the same mistakes, as well as making the big plays. Overall, I'm excited to see Griffin on the field as I didn't think we'd see him at all this season, but McCoy should definitely be #2.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by tshile

Delay of games.

Calling the wrong play in the huddle.

Blowing timeouts to avoid even more delay of games.

Having multiple defensive stops/turnovers to start the game against an that offense, that coming into the game was really hot, but not capitalizing on them. Not capitalizing on this normally leads to losing the game later on...



It's not an opinion centered around stats, it's one centered around the eye test. McCoy just didn't look ready/prepared to me for quite a bit.



We stayed in the game because our defense played great from start to finish. And McCoy eventually settled in. But in the totality of the game, I personally am surprised Dallas wasn't able to get over the hump and eventually win.



When you listen to redskins fans and media you'd think McCoy had a lights out performance. That's just not what I saw at all.



Even more so, people are using the performance to justify not starting Griffin even if he is 'ready.' Which to me is absurd. To take that one game and walk away saying McCoy gives us a better chance to win than Griffin seems absurd to me. Yet, there are a lot of people doing it...

All I hear anyone saying is that Colt is capable of beating Minn until Griff is absolutely positively healthy and ready to take over, not that Colt gives us a better chance to win. Gotta look at the big picture.

As for Colts performance on Monday Night in Dallas against one of the better defenses and in his first start in years....you are upset that Colt took a little while to shake off the nerves before he played a beautiful second half and had a couple of critical and amazing plays to win the game for us?!?!?

[WillH]

Originally Posted by tshile

Delay of games.
Calling the wrong play in the huddle.
Blowing timeouts to avoid even more delay of games.
Having multiple defensive stops/turnovers to start the game against an that offense, that coming into the game was really hot, but not capitalizing on them. Not capitalizing on this normally leads to losing the game later on...

It's not an opinion centered around stats, it's one centered around the eye test. McCoy just didn't look ready/prepared to me for quite a bit.

We stayed in the game because our defense played great from start to finish. And McCoy eventually settled in. But in the totality of the game, I personally am surprised Dallas wasn't able to get over the hump and eventually win.

When you listen to redskins fans and media you'd think McCoy had a lights out performance. That's just not what I saw at all.

Even more so, people are using the performance to justify not starting Griffin even if he is 'ready.' Which to me is absurd. To take that one game and walk away saying McCoy gives us a better chance to win than Griffin seems absurd to me. Yet, there are a lot of people doing it...

I agree with you to a point, but I think what you are not factoring in is how RG3 looked at the beginning of the season. He was struggling, and just before he got injured he started to show some signs that he was getting comfortable again. Now, coming back from an injury, and not having had the reps with the offense, he may not be where he needs to be to effectively lead this team. I think that is why people are saying he may not provide us the best chance of winning.

That said, I seriously hope he comes in and proves to everyone that he is a legit franchise QB. He needs to protect himself, he needs to protect the football, he needs to make some big plays, and he needs to show that he can operate in a pro offense.

I think he should start even if he isn't "Mentally prepared," because he needs to get reps with his offense. It is time for him to show that he is worth what we gave up to get him.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by punch it in

All I hear anyone saying is that Colt is capable of beating Minn until Griff is absolutely positively healthy and ready to take over, not that Colt gives us a better chance to win. Gotta look at the big picture.

As for Colts performance on Monday Night in Dallas against one of the better defenses and in his first start in years....you are upset that Colt took a little while to shake off the nerves before he played a beautiful second half and had a couple of critical and amazing plays to win the game for us?!?!?

I agree that we're capable of beating Minnesota with McCoy. I also agree that Griffin should not be on the field until he is ready; health wise, athletically, and mentally. I'm assuming this coaching staff is not going to put him on the field unless he is ready. It's an assumption - but I have no reason to believe that Gruden is going to be forced into putting Griffin out there before he believe's he's ready. I agree with you about the big picture.

But people are saying even if Griffin is ready - sit him one more week. That's absurd. If Griffin is ready he's head and shoulders better than McCoy. You do not sit your starting QB if he is ready for a 3rd string QB that's had multiple shots and not earned a starting job. This is absurd logic. If he's ready, you play Griffin. We're 3-5. We **do not** have the luxury of strolling into any stadium, even our own, and sitting our starting quarterback when he's ready. The fact that some thing we do is absolutely laughable.

I'm not upset at McCoy for anything. He played exactly how he should be expected to, arguably better especially when it mattered in the second half. I'm simply pointing out that people are gushing over his performance and it was hardly an elite performance, much less one that warrants benching your starter (assuming he's ready) going on the road to try to pick up your 4th win in week 9.

This fan base loves the backup quarterback. The list is long. Get over it. Griffin is the best quarterback on this team until he's been given a chance to prove otherwise, and one game against Huston and < 15 snaps against Jacksonville is hardly proof he's all of the sudden not a good quarterback.

The only way it makes sense to me (assuming he falls under the all-encompassing term 'ready') is if you've already given up on the season and you think the only thing worth playing for is seeing if Griffin is the guy for next year.

And if you've already given up on the season after a 3-5 start then lol @ you because that's also absurd.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by tshile

Delay of games.
Calling the wrong play in the huddle.
Blowing timeouts to avoid even more delay of games.
Having multiple defensive stops/turnovers to start the game against an that offense, that coming into the game was really hot, but not capitalizing on them. Not capitalizing on this normally leads to losing the game later on...

It's not an opinion centered around stats, it's one centered around the eye test. McCoy just didn't look ready/prepared to me for quite a bit.

We stayed in the game because our defense played great from start to finish. And McCoy eventually settled in. But in the totality of the game, I personally am surprised Dallas wasn't able to get over the hump and eventually win.

When you listen to redskins fans and media you'd think McCoy had a lights out performance. That's just not what I saw at all.

Even more so, people are using the performance to justify not starting Griffin even if he is 'ready.' Which to me is absurd. To take that one game and walk away saying McCoy gives us a better chance to win than Griffin seems absurd to me. Yet, there are a lot of people doing it...

Colt got off to a rough start, not too surprising considering his first start in what 3 years? But he settled in and was as instrumental and leading the team to victory as anyone else on the team.

He got better as the game got along, something Cousins repeatedly failed to do.

If Griffin is healthy he should be the starter. He's undoubtedly our best QB, but Colt did everything asked of him. No need to dismiss him