The everything Gruden thread

[SouperMeister]

Even Gruden would have to admit that he has done a poor job. There are breakdowns across all units - just today, offsides on kickoffs, lining up illegally on offense, and busted assugnments defensively. It is a team that lacks discipline, and that is a direct reflection on the head coach.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Even Gruden would have to admit that he has done a poor job. There are breakdowns across all units - just today, offsides on kickoffs, lining up illegally on offense, and busted assugnments defensively. It is a team that lacks discipline, and that is a direct reflection on the head coach.

Indy had the same number of penalties as we did except for more yards.

Still, you're right. Over the course of the season way too many stupid mental mistakes.

Holding calls aren't always mental because it's so freaking arbitrary (could be called on every play) and sometimes you get beat and need to keep your qb from getting nuked.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Even Gruden would have to admit that he has done a poor job. There are breakdowns across all units - just today, offsides on kickoffs, lining up illegally on offense, and busted assugnments defensively. It is a team that lacks discipline, and that is a direct reflection on the head coach.

I think Gruden has said he has done a poor job, more than once.

And when a team lacks discipline under multiple head coaches that's a reflection on the organization.

Gruden deserves an entire season before you can even attempt to write him off. And IMO he also deserves next year.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

I think Gruden has said he has done a poor job, more than once.

And when a team lacks discipline under multiple head coaches that's a reflection on the organization.

Gruden deserves an entire season before you can even attempt to write him off. And IMO he also deserves next year.

Agree he gets the opportunity to turn things around these last games. Nothing wrong with Snyder and FO starting to make inquiries elsewhere now though, it's due diligence at this point.

It's gotta feel like Zorn all over again for Snyder though. The idiotic play calls like going for it on fourth down pinned back in our own territory, and then not even have an audible to change the play when Indys crappy defense overloaded one side. This just ain't pro level coaching, very hard to watch.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Agree he gets the opportunity to turn things around these last games. Nothing wrong with Snyder and FO starting to make inquiries elsewhere now though, it's due diligence at this point.

It's gotta feel like Zorn all over again for Snyder though. The idiotic play calls like going for it on fourth down pinned back in our own territory, and then not even have an audible to change the play when Indys crappy defense overloaded one side. This just ain't pro level coaching, very hard to watch.

wow I was working caught last half of 4th quarter. If this happened Gruden is desperate like I thought.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

wow I was working caught last half of 4th quarter. If this happened Gruden is desperate like I thought.

That's not quite what happened

[DynamiteRave]

Even Marty Mornhinweg got 2 whole seasons before the Lions canned him and he's one of the worst NFL coaches of all time. You gotta give Gruden a real shot next season.

I feel like coaches, unless they go.. like 0-16, deserve at least 2 seasons to be judged thoroughly before deciding whether or not to keep or kick them.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Even Marty Mornhinweg got 2 whole seasons before the Lions canned him and he's one of the worst NFL coaches of all time. You gotta give Gruden a real shot next season.

I feel like coaches, unless they go.. like 0-16, deserve at least 2 seasons to be judged thoroughly before deciding whether or not to keep or kick them.

If he holds the fort, stop the bleeding, anything. Beat Dallas and the Giants then he deserves another year, but if he keeps making desperate moves then he has to go. But to be fair he was set up to fail. He had to keep Haz and Mc Vay.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

If he holds the fort, stop the bleeding, anything. Beat Dallas and the Giants then he deserves another year, but if he keeps making desperate moves then he has to go. But to be fair he was set up to fail. He had to keep Haz and Mc Vay.

Is this the criteria we're going off of for dismantling an entire coaching staff?

[TheGuyFromOverThere]

Originally Posted by mooby

Is this the criteria we're going off of for dismantling an entire coaching staff?

Jepp. If you beat those two and go 4-12 for 20 years, your job is save - because you´ve beaten those two.

[CRedskinsRule]

Any coach deserves 2 years minimum. The first year the coach will have to keep several players he really doesn't want to, and he has to see how the whole units work together.

[Ruhskins]

I'm okay with giving him another year, but he has done a lot of rookie HC mistakes on and off the field.

I would like to see a change in the FO though, I think the team has had too many miscues in putting together an offensive line. Granted that Moses, Long, and some of the younger o-linemen could star producing next year, I'd like to see the team get a solid FA o-lineman on the right side.

[skinsfan69]

Long can't even beat out Chester. Moses was unable to beat out Polumbus and Compton. Not looking good so far with either draft pick.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Long can't even beat out Chester. Moses was unable to beat out Polumbus and Compton. Not looking good so far with either draft pick.

Which brings me to the point of coaching. Are we really missing out on good o-linemen in the draft or is it a coaching problem? We are drafting o-linemen, but we can't seem to get a player good enough to replace the terrible players we have (Chester/Polumbus/Compton) or maybe we are but the coaches are not doing a good job developing these players.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Which brings me to the point of coaching. Are we really missing out on good o-linemen in the draft or is it a coaching problem? We are drafting o-linemen, but we can't seem to get a player good enough to replace the terrible players we have (Chester/Polumbus/Compton) or maybe we are but the coaches are not doing a good job developing these players.

Too me, it's little coaching but I'm starting to believe the dipshits in the scouting department need to go. We need a new gm to come in and revamp scouting.

This is something danny boy needs to get on top of asap.