With the 5th pick in the draft the Washington Redskins select...

[Defensewins]

IF they are both there, which one do you take?
I like Beasley's sack totals and 'had at least one sack in eight consecutive games from 2013 (2) to 2014 (6).' That kind of production is hard to beat.
But Fowler's size, strength and kick anyones ass physicality is as close to can't miss as you can get.
I would be happy with either one.

Vic Beasley Biography - Clemson Tigers Official Athletics Site

Dante Fowler, Jr. - 2012 Gator Football Roster - GatorZone.com

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

IF they are both there, which one do you take?
I like Beasley's sack totals and 'had at least one sack in eight consecutive games from 2013 (2) to 2014 (6).' That kind of production is hard to beat.
But Fowler's size, strength and kick anyones ass physicality is as close to can't miss as you can get.
I would be happy with either one.

Vic Beasley Biography - Clemson Tigers Official Athletics Site

Dante Fowler, Jr. - 2012 Gator Football Roster - GatorZone.com

Same height. Weights listed at 235 and 277.

Not saying it can't be done but 235 is not a lot of ham to stop an off tackle run.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Same height. Weights listed at 235 and 277.

Not saying it can't be done but 235 is not a lot of ham to stop an off tackle run.

Beasley weighed in at 246 in February NFL Combine. He'll probably be even bigger and stronger by start of Trainning Camp, still months away. Neither of these two (Beasley or Fowler) have ever been man handled much, not sure why any scout brings it up? Probably just trying to invent a possible weakness for two guys that have few weakness', if any.
Our top 2 OLB's Kerrigan & Trent Murphy are not considered quick first step, SPEED pass rushers. We really do not have one, even at DE. So we have a bit of a need there.
Beasley is more of that quick first step edge speed pass rusher than Fowler. Not taking anything away from Fowler who is rated slightly higher than Beasley overall, because Fowler is both a physical beast and can also rush the passer very well like Kerrigan.
But great defenses like Seattle have both speed edge pass rushers and physical set the edge run stopper to compliment each other. We do not have a speed rusher....yet!
I'll be happy with either Beasley or Fowler.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Beasley weighed in at 246 in February NFL Combine. He'll probably be even bigger and stronger by start of Trainning Camp, still months away. Neither of these two (Beasley or Fowler) have ever been man handled much, not sure why any scout brings it up? Probably just trying to invent a possible weakness for two guys that have few weakness', if any.
Our top 2 OLB's Kerrigan & Trent Murphy are not considered quick first step, SPEED pass rushers. We really do not have one, even at DE. So we have a bit of a need there.
Beasley is more of that quick first step edge speed pass rusher than Fowler. Not taking anything away from Fowler who is rated slightly higher than Beasley overall, because Fowler is both a physical beast and can also rush the passer very well like Kerrigan.
But great defenses like Seattle have both speed edge pass rushers and physical set the edge run stopper to compliment each other. We do not have a speed rusher....yet!
I'll be happy with either Beasley or Fowler.

Any thoughts on how an extra 30 pounds might affect Beasley's game?

Besides the size, Fowler had the versatility to line up all over the place and play well.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I'll be happy with either Beasley or Fowler.

Ditto.

[Bishop Hammer]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Beasley weighed in at 246 in February NFL Combine. He'll probably be even bigger and stronger by start of Trainning Camp, still months away. Neither of these two (Beasley or Fowler) have ever been man handled much, not sure why any scout brings it up? Probably just trying to invent a possible weakness for two guys that have few weakness', if any.
Our top 2 OLB's Kerrigan & Trent Murphy are not considered quick first step, SPEED pass rushers. We really do not have one, even at DE. So we have a bit of a need there.
Beasley is more of that quick first step edge speed pass rusher than Fowler. Not taking anything away from Fowler who is rated slightly higher than Beasley overall, because Fowler is both a physical beast and can also rush the passer very well like Kerrigan.
But great defenses like Seattle have both speed edge pass rushers and physical set the edge run stopper to compliment each other. We do not have a speed rusher....yet!
I'll be happy with either Beasley or Fowler.

Fowler strikes me the way you described Kerrigan and Murphy. I'd rather have Beasley over Fowler just to have a LB with a different skill set.

I don't see both of them being at the fifth spot. One will be gone before Wash picks. JAX seems interested in Dante, according to most mock drafts. Hope it proves true so The Skins can get Vic. He would compliment the OLBs in house and vice versa.

[KI Skins Fan]

There's no film on Beasley playing at 246 lbs. That bothers me a little. On the other hand, I think he is a superb athlete with a big time motor. His production is college is unquestioned. But can he be effective carrying that much weight and can he keep his weight up over a 16 game season? He's going to need more power to go against big, talented LOTs in the NFL. Nevertheless, the more film I see on him the more it seems to me like he could do anything on a football field. Worst case, he could be moved to ILB where he would be a beast. But then we wouldn't have the edge rusher we crave.

Fowler has a bigger frame than Beasley. There is plenty of film on him playing at 260 lbs. and dominating people. He seems to have the better build for an NFL 3-4 LB. I have no doubt that he'll be an effective pass rusher in the NFL.

It's a good, tough choice to have between these two players.

[30gut]

I wouldn't go 34 OLB at pick 5.

In keeping with BPA none of the pass rushers at 5 rate higher then Cooper or White for me. Heck none of them rate better then Schreff or Waynes ( would prefer to trade down to select one of those 2).

[SFREDSKIN]

It's funny, everyone talking Fowler and Beasley. How about Shane Ray?

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I wouldn't go 34 OLB at pick 5.

In keeping with BPA none of the pass rushers at 5 rate higher then Cooper or White for me. Heck none of them rate better then Schreff or Waynes ( would prefer to trade down to select one of those 2).

A trade down where we got Scherff or La'el Collins would be fine with me.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I wouldn't go 34 OLB at pick 5.

In keeping with BPA none of the pass rushers at 5 rate higher then Cooper or White for me. Heck none of them rate better then Schreff or Waynes ( would prefer to trade down to select one of those 2).

Waynes should be in the discussion...Schreff is a bit overhyped imo.

[redskinsfan1980]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I wouldn't go 34 OLB at pick 5.

In keeping with BPA none of the pass rushers at 5 rate higher then Cooper or White for me. Heck none of them rate better then Schreff or Waynes ( would prefer to trade down to select one of those 2).

These wr are way to small to even be considered in the top 5. Neither one of these guys are the next Calvin Johnson or AJ Green. When you look at our wr core we size, not more speed. We have plenty of that already.

The pass rushers in this draft are pretty good. Fowler has size and transition speed and power fluidly. He's going to be a stud. Vic Beasly is an outstanding passer rusher. He' kinda undersized but he'll put on weight and with his athleticism he'll carry it well. He's a natural pass rusher and probably the best one in the draft. Shane Ray also a natural pass rusher with great speed. Either one of these guys will immediately improve our pass rush.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by redskinsfan1980

These wr are way to small to even be considered in the top 5. Neither one of these guys are the next Calvin Johnson or AJ Green. When you look at our wr core we size, not more speed. We have plenty of that already.

The pass rushers in this draft are pretty good. Fowler has size and transition speed and power fluidly. He's going to be a stud. Vic Beasly is an outstanding passer rusher. He' kinda undersized but he'll put on weight and with his athleticism he'll carry it well. He's a natural pass rusher and probably the best one in the draft. Shane Ray also a natural pass rusher with great speed. Either one of these guys will immediately improve our pass rush.

Kevin White is 6'3" 215 and Cooper is 6'1" 210 so I don't get your too small argument

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Kevin White is 6'3" 215 and Cooper is 6'1" 210 so I don't get your too small argument

Well, they're obviously not too small. I think they are both outstanding prospects. The only concern I have about either of them is the "one year wonder" aspect of White's college career.

The problem I have with them is the fact that they are WR's. For me, in view of our needs, one of them would have to be w-a-a-a-y better than any of the edge rushers for me to understand picking him at #5.

[redskinsfan1980]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Kevin White is 6'3" 215 and Cooper is 6'1" 210 so I don't get your too small argument

Let me rephrase that. I don't mean they're small in a sense that they're undersized. It's just that neither one of these guys are 6'6 or 6'5 matchup nightmares. If we're going draft a guy wr at 5 he should fit that role.