Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[KI Skins Fan]

I have to give 30gut credit for putting together such a comprehensive list of the Jay Gruden shortcomings he thinks adversely affected RGIII's performance last season. I find little to disagree with in his post. There is so much valid criticism on his list that I hate to even think about what that may mean to the immediate future of our favorite team.

[skinsfan69]

And this is why we needed competition for the QB spot. Griffin needed to be pushed and should have had to earn the spot, not have it handed to him- again. He simply hasn't earned the position with his recent play.

While I do agree that Gruden is an impatient coach, what's he suppose to do w/ Griffin? A lot of the playcalling in 14 while Griffin was in there was the most simple stuff I've ever seen on the NFL level. It was painful to watch that shit. Can't keep hiding your QB if you want to be a real NFL offense.

[JoeRedskin]

I am really hoping JG's handling of RGIII in '14 was a little bit 1st time Head Coach and a little bit of tough love. RGIII needs to acknowledge just how far he has to go and JG, hopefully, was just trying to show him that.

We'll see. I fear we're heading to a Jason Campbell redux.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I am really hoping JG's handling of RGIII in '14 was a little bit 1st time Head Coach and a little bit of tough love. RGIII needs to acknowledge just how far he has to go and JG, hopefully, was just trying to show him that.

We'll see. I fear we're heading to a Jason Campbell redux.

I don't know if there was ever a more depressing time for me recently than when we had Jason Campbell locked in at starter.

Brunell might have been bad in 2006 but i feel like the real blame should have went with them trying to install a brand new offense and a team that was under-performing across the board.

It would have been one thing if we had replaced Brunell with Campbell and all of a sudden he lit it up, but that didn't happen.

I personally would have wanted to see Brunell get the starting job in 2007 once everyone knew the offense better, and see what happened from there....you never know

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I don't know if there was ever a more depressing time for me recently than when we had Jason Campbell locked in at starter.

Brunell might have been bad in 2006 but i feel like the real blame should have went with them trying to install a brand new offense and a team that was under-performing across the board.

It would have been one thing if we had replaced Brunell with Campbell and all of a sudden he lit it up, but that didn't happen.

I personally would have wanted to see Brunell get the starting job in 2007 once everyone knew the offense better, and see what happened from there....you never know

brunell was only good for about 2 game a year at that point. his legs were shot. he holds te record for least passing yards in a playoff win (64). that's bad.


as for another post on KC, i don't really see him being more than an average starter at best. the interception thing is always going to be there barring something drastic.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by That Guy

brunell was only good for about 2 game a year at that point. his legs were shot. he holds te record for least passing yards in a playoff win (64). that's bad.


as for another post on KC, i don't really see him being more than an average starter at best. the interception thing is always going to be there barring something drastic.

Brunell was clearly done at that point.

As for KC vs. RGIII, average is better than very bad. Somehow, I feel that RGIII can either be very good or very bad but never average. KC couldn't beat out the very good RGIII but he could save us from the very bad RGIII.

[NYCskinfan82]

Question when Tom Shady took over for Bledsoe he never looked back took his chance and never let go of the spot. Please explain to me why people have stated KC was never given a chance. I just want a QB would like it to be RG3 but if it is it is if it isn't it isn't.

[MTK]

Brunell?

[SmootSmack]

I hope Griffin plays well and claims the QB spot for years to come. He has the talent, that neither Kirk nor Colt has, to dominate in this league. But he's got a lot to work on both on and off the field. He needs to show he can and prove many coaches, execs and players who have lost faith in him wrong. No more excuses for him

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I hope Griffin plays well and claims the QB spot for years to come. He has the talent, that neither Kirk nor Colt has, to dominate in this league. But he's got a lot to work on both on and off the field. He needs to show he can and prove many coaches, execs and players who have lost faith in him wrong. No more excuses for him

I'd say he HAD the talent before he blew out his knee,I've havent seen much evidence since then to suggest he still has it

[Defensewins]

Even if Robert Griffin woke up tomorrow with Joe Montana's brain and picked up all of the mental parts of the game, can he stay reasonably healthy? Has he made it healthy through a single season in the NFL yet?
Even the $18.4 million option for next year is ton of cap space tied up on a player that honestly has trouble staying on the field.
I also want Robert G. to succeed but I have a problem with that one year option.

[Evilgrin]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Even if Robert Griffin woke up tomorrow with Joe Montana's brain and picked up all of the mental parts of the game, can he stay reasonably healthy? Has he made it healthy through a single season in the NFL yet?
Even the $18.4 million option for next year is ton of cap space tied up on a player that honestly has trouble staying on the field.
I also want Robert G. to succeed but I have a problem with that one year option.

This is my issue, lets say he plays well. He is still probably gonna miss 4-6 games a year. I don't think you can ever succeed with that, because you'll need to pay a good backup. The roster will suffer.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

"Given time" is the key. I don't think he could run any of those offenses tomorrow with any degree of success...How much time is reasonable at this point.

Then I wasn't clear in my post.

Originally Posted by 30gut

...I think Griffin would fit just fine in any number of offenses: Philly, Seattle, Carolina, 49ers (previous), Maimi, KC, Vikings and others given time.

I meant I think he can play well in any of those offenses right now. Each of those offenses is already more catered to what he does well then Jay's offense last year.

I think he could learn the offenses more predicated upon rhythm timing like Arians, Colts, Saints, Dallas, Chargers etc. But it wouldn't be as instant transition in those offenses like it would with the offenses that have spread and zone-read elements.

...the QB must still drop back, make & be patient with his reads, get his timing right, and feel pressure. RGIII simply does not and has not ever demonstrated consistent ability in any of those phases. His only success has come in a limited offense where he was generally required to make one or two reads.

I disagree almost completely with portion bolded and underlined above. For the sake of comparison, since he's on the same team I'm going to compare Griffin or Kirk. Would you be surprised to know that the only season Kirk was better then Griffin on 3rd down or in "pure drop back passing situations" (i.e. non-play action known passing situations) was this current year under Jay? I can pull up the stats if you want, but going back to 2012 or 2013 Griffin has been the better drop back passer. Many consider Kirk to be a potential starting caliber QB or at a minimum a superior 'drop back passer' to Griffin yet the only time he was better was in Jay's offense which was more geared towards a rhythm drop back passer then Griffin.

So when you say that Griffin can't drop back, make reads, feel pressure its a lot of hyperbole. When you say that Griffin can't do those things you make his rookie year into an impossible fluke and you liken his skillset to any dime a dozen read-option QBs that come out every year. Do you really think Griffin is no different then Terrell Pryor or Darron Thomas or Quincy Carter or Tyrod Taylor or Tim Tebow or Eric Crouch. If Griffin is as limited in skillset as you say and was able to win rookie of the year (in a statistically historic fashion btw) then why don't other teams do the same thing with type of QB that you describe? Those QBs are everywhere in college football.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Saying that no one in the NFL would want him is rather stupid.

I'll tell you this right now, I would hate to have to face RG III twice a year playing for the Eagles. I might not like Chip Kelly but rg III is custom made for his offense and I would be shocked if he didn't end up there if he is flat out released next year. (I don't think it Wil happen as I still have faith/hope that he is going to be our guy for a long time).

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by 30gut

So when you say that Griffin can't drop back, make reads, feel pressure its a lot of hyperbole. When you say that Griffin can't do those things you make his rookie year into an impossible fluke and you liken his skillset to any dime a dozen read-option QBs that come out every year. Do you really think Griffin is no different then Terrell Pryor or Darron Thomas or Quincy Carter or Tyrod Taylor or Tim Tebow or Eric Crouch. If Griffin is as limited in skillset as you say and was able to win rookie of the year (in a statistically historic fashion btw) then why don't other teams do the same thing with type of QB that you describe? Those QBs are everywhere in college football.

I'm not the person you were replying to, but RGIII is much better than those guys cause he's actually a pretty accurate passer, and he's shown flashes of good things, but he's also shown consistent problems. once he starts to scramble (not boot or roll out, but scramble), the play is already over, he pulls his eyes off the field and the ball is basically never going to go farther than 8 yards at that point. that's something wilson or rodger etc (ie, good QBs) don't do. his instincts are just bad there (pretty consistently too). he also has shown very little skill in predicting/sensing the rush, which compounds the problem by causing him to take off too early. I mean, the guy pulls down the ball and runs a bunch in 7 on 7 drills... no one does that.

that's really the issue that's holding him back the most. (he can be inconsistent reading D's etc, but that's not as hard to fix as bad instincts, which are REALLY hard to change). If he gets amazing protection, that hides it, and maybe allows him time to try and get it fixed, but the odds are generally against it.

I'm all for giving him another shot, I'd much rather be wrong and have him killing teams left and right, it's just hard to see that happening after seeing basically no progress the last two years.