What would it take?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Yes, so we should just discount anything he says for the rest of his life now for a mistake he acknowledged and apologized for.

Well to be honest he has always had an axe to grind with the GOP, so his remark isn't surprising.

In fact, dan rather would fit right in with today's media...he came from an era where the ethics of journalism were upheld on a daily basis. The expectation was to present the facts to the American people and let the people decide what's right. And you certainly could not interject personal political opinions in presenting the news. When dan rather did that just over 10 years, this was a major embarrassment for cbs...he caught a lot of flack because he created distrust. He was seen as a leader in journalism....he mostly regarded as a joke these days.

I'm for confronting the media becuase it's out of control. Time magazine which NBC also ran the story of trump removing the bust of mlk out of the Oval Office is another example. This story ran immediately and was shared millions of times. The reporter eventually apologized, but that shit doesn't matter, it's already spread. This type of irresponsible journalism feeds into racial sensitivity across the country...it's damning.

[MTK]

Um yeah, I'm still more concerned about the "alternative facts" coming from the WH. The tone that's been set at the start of this administration is very alarming. Even worse than I thought it would be honestly.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

Um yeah, I'm still more concerned about the "alternative facts" coming from the WH. The tone that's been set at the start of this administration is very alarming. Even worse than I thought it would be honestly.

Agree. It's absolutely insane that they're debating facts that can be clearly observed in photos. It's embarrassing, frankly.

I voted for Clinton, but once Trump won I went with the attitude that I'd like to wait and see what he can do. This isn't a good start at all.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Um yeah, I'm still more concerned about the "alternative facts" coming from the WH. The tone that's been set at the start of this administration is very alarming. Even worse than I thought it would be honestly.

so funny that those 2 words from that interview are making the rounds...it's a sound bite generation where the attention span is so low and people will not listen to the entire interview for context. Folks will take this and just make up whatever they want...whatever fits in the bubble.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

so funny that those 2 words from that interview are making the rounds...it's a sound bite generation where the attention span is so low and people will not listen to the entire interview for context. Folks will take this and just make up whatever they want...whatever fits in the bubble.

Why wouldn't you latch onto those words?? They are by definition an oxymoron. Facts are indisputable, read the dictionary definition. There is only one alternative to a fact: bullshit.

[Schneed10]

Chico to maintain any credibility in these debates at all, you have to admit that phrase is ridiculous. If you don't, or if you try to gloss past it, then you risk never being taken seriously by anybody with a brain.

[CRedskinsRule]

I agree that facts are indisputable.
One fact is that there is no exact or physical count.
One fact is that due to clouds there is not the overhead view that counts are taken from.
One fact is that Trump's inauguration via Nielsen's ratings were the second highest and online/streaming viewership was an all time high.

These are alternative facts to the drumbeat the media ran with one photo and their standing narrative against Trumps presidency

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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I agree that facts are indisputable.
One fact is that there is no exact or physical count.
One fact is that due to clouds there is not the overhead view that counts are taken from.
One fact is that Trump's inauguration via Nielsen's ratings were the second highest and online/streaming viewership was an all time high.

These are alternative facts to the drumbeat the media ran with one photo and their standing narrative against Trumps presidency

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1) I agree on fact one
2)Fact two is wrong .Back and I think it was a Beach Boy concert the formula the National Parks Dept use to do head counts on the Mall was reveled and I do agree there is no "actual" numbers count they can most certainly do very good estimations.Each section on the Mall can hold x amount of people and such.While it was over cast right around Oath time it lighten up a good amount.
3) Considering the improvement in tech knowledge of course more people were able to watch it in ways that didn't exist even eight years ago.All so does'nt mean people were watching.I kind of use the train wreck theory,people know what's coming but still want to see the car and the train collide.

[Chico23231]

Not really defending the 2 words but the coverage. Did u see the interview? chuck Todd got bitch slapped. But yet I'm forced to defend 2 words? Psss please...come on bro.

I've stated before, it was dumb to defend a crowd by trump and the administration...but we know what's going on, it was a clear smear campaign be the media to denigrate the incoming administration. why did the media run the side by side comparison to Obama's inaugural crowd?

Its interesting to see the confrontation with the media...I think a lot of folks will be saying it's about time. But I don't know if it necessarily smart, because we can see with just 2 words what can happen.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Not really defending the 2 words but the coverage. Did u see the interview? chuck Todd got bitch slapped. But yet I'm forced to defend 2 words? Psss please...come on bro.

I've stated before, it was dumb to defend a crowd by trump and the administration...but we know what's going on, it was a clear smear campaign be the media to denigrate the incoming administration. why did the media run the side by side comparison to Obama's inaugural crowd?

Its interesting to see the confrontation with the media...I think a lot of folks will be saying it's about time. But I don't know if it necessarily smart, because we can see with just 2 words what can happen.

I see you are taking "alternative facts" to heart.

[Schneed10]

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Lol...don't worry, hopefully we can start talking about stuff that really matters as the first 100 days begins. If trump effs up with policy pushes i won't give him any slack. I just really the playing field was level when it comes to coverage, lotta bad info out there...

[MTK]

Strange times.

[CRedskinsRule]

Dennis Kucinich (democratic Pres.primary Candidate 2004&2008) response to Trump's inaugural address

https://m.facebook.com/denniskucinic...54527639948218

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[NC_Skins]

Trump's start has been a hot mess to start:

1) Have your Press Secretary lies about inauguration crowd and later double down on that same lie.
'Baghdad Sean' Spicer doubles down on crowd lies - Chicago Tribune

2) Told EPA not to tweet about climate change and restricted Federal agencies on social communication. Yet, this asshole can't stop tweeting about SNL and other bullshit not related to his job.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.993277deb9f5

3) Use your introductory speech at CIA to bitch about media/crowd numbers, and bring along staff to clap for you at CIA speech. "Please clap"
Trump CIA Speech may have made worsened intel community relations - CBS News

4) Says that voter fraud kept him from winning the popular vote and will even start an investigation into such fraud.
Trump calls for 'major investigation' into voter fraud - CNNPolitics.com

5) Kellyanne Conway states the White House is using "alternative facts".
Conway: Trump White House offered 'alternative facts' on crowd size - CNNPolitics.com

6) Tells EPA to remove climate change website page.
Trump administration tells EPA to cut climate page from website: sources | Reuters

7) Threaten to send in the Feds to Chicago if they can't fix the "carnage".
Trump gets rid of the stupidest part of Obamacare—Commentary

Have I missed anything stupid he's done? It's been so much in such a short amount of time.



I will give Trump props on one thing (regardless if I agree with these or not), is that he's keeping his word on what he was going to do.

1) Ban refugees from Muslim countries
Trump expected to order temporary ban on refugees | Reuters

2) Build a wall and boost deportations.
Trump to order construction of border wall, boosting deportations - CNNPolitics.com

3) End the EPA or make it ineffective.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.b692e6f813b6


4) Repeal Obamacare. (his first step)
Trump gets rid of the stupidest part of Obamacare—Commentary

5) Officially withdraw from TPP.
Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal withdrawal Trump's first executive action Monday - CNNPolitics.com





Good news though. Trump's approval rating is higher in Russia than it is here in the US.

Donald Trump Has a High Approval Rating in Russia | Fortune.com