Pre game Thread - Commanders at Lions Sun 1 pm

[calia]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Lions 6R pick LB Malcolm Rodriguez is the Lions starting LB and the team and fans seem to love him and his physicality.

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Blake Martinez -- we should be hearing something soon Id guess. im sure his agent's phone has had a lot of calls

I've been wondering about Martinez. I had also wondered whether someone would sign Flowers, Collins (as Buffalo nickel/LB), and OBJ -- there are a few guys who can still play out there and unsigned for longer than I would have expected.

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Lions 6R pick LB Malcolm Rodriguez is the Lions starting LB and the team and fans seem to love him and his physicality

He was a stud at Oklahoma St. A true leader also and super physical. Doesn't really surprise me he's starting. He's also from a small town here making his ascension even more admirable.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by calia

I don't disagree, but it also doesn't make sense to have individuals on D not play to their strengths or, more accurately, scheme to their strengths. He has to coach to defensive players he has, not the ones he wishes he had. I think that is where JDR falls pretty short of the mark.

I guess I'm not sure what you want him to do. He has Jamin Davis, Cole Holcomb, David Mayo, Jon Bostic, and Milo Eifler. There's only so much you can do with these guys. Put your DC hat on. How would you scheme to their strengths?

Seriously though, I think the D will be fine and will surprise in the long run. They were much better in week 1 than they were most of last year - especially on 3rd down. If they can build on that, and stop the run (which they really didn't do), it could be fun year.

[SunnySide]

"He's got to play better. He didn't play very well last week," Del Rio said Thursday, just moments after calling Davis' performance a "so-so" outing. "I know he expects to play better. He'll be challenged to play better."

"I saw a lot of good things this offseason and it kind of surprised me he didn't play better," Del Rio said, before later adding, "He's worked really hard. I think he prepared to play better than he did in the opener. We expect him to play better."

"Like I said before, just making more plays, going out there, trying to be more consistent, try to fly around and play a lot faster," Davis said.

"When we do get to [that look], we expect him to hold up," Del Rio said on Davis in coverage. "He didn't hold up very well in that situation. He gave up some big completions. So, we need him to be better and we need to do a little bit better job to make sure we keep him out of those situations."

Davis believes if he continues to "trust his technique" when in coverage, things will start to go his way in the future.

"You just gotta trust your technique at the end of the day," Davis said. "That's one of those things that no matter who you wind up against, you just go out there and do what you got to do, the same thing I've been doing all offseason. So I mean, going forward, it's just, no hiccups, just make more plays."

"Going forward, I know who I am as a player," Davis said. "So [now], just go make plays."

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...guars/3158361/

JDR basically said the obvious ... they need to try and limit the times hes 1 on 1 w a WR on in the slot but the times that it does happen, they need him to hold up.

Kam Curl - Im guessing they practiced in TC and planned on having him play in the box/pick up the extra WR etc but with his injury Jamin was the temporary back up plan?

Not ideal but Jamin is our "coverage" LB so hes option B or C, after Curl.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

"He's got to play better. He didn't play very well last week," Del Rio said Thursday, just moments after calling Davis' performance a "so-so" outing. "I know he expects to play better. He'll be challenged to play better."

"I saw a lot of good things this offseason and it kind of surprised me he didn't play better," Del Rio said, before later adding, "He's worked really hard. I think he prepared to play better than he did in the opener. We expect him to play better."

"Like I said before, just making more plays, going out there, trying to be more consistent, try to fly around and play a lot faster," Davis said.

"When we do get to [that look], we expect him to hold up," Del Rio said on Davis in coverage. "He didn't hold up very well in that situation. He gave up some big completions. So, we need him to be better and we need to do a little bit better job to make sure we keep him out of those situations."

Davis believes if he continues to "trust his technique" when in coverage, things will start to go his way in the future.

"You just gotta trust your technique at the end of the day," Davis said. "That's one of those things that no matter who you wind up against, you just go out there and do what you got to do, the same thing I've been doing all offseason. So I mean, going forward, it's just, no hiccups, just make more plays."

"Going forward, I know who I am as a player," Davis said. "So [now], just go make plays."

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...guars/3158361/

JDR basically said the obvious ... they need to try and limit the times hes 1 on 1 w a WR on in the slot but the times that it does happen, they need him to hold up.

Kam Curl - Im guessing they practiced in TC and planned on having him play in the box/pick up the extra WR etc but with his injury Jamin was the temporary back up plan?

Not ideal but Jamin is our "coverage" LB so hes option B or C, after Curl.

I was looking for this in regards to your post about 2 LBs 93% of snaps.

This has the breakdown from last year's defense

I think we will see Curl or Forrest in a "Buffalo nickel" going forward.

[EdmundDorf]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

"He's got to play better. He didn't play very well last week," Del Rio said Thursday, just moments after calling Davis' performance a "so-so" outing. "I know he expects to play better. He'll be challenged to play better."

"I saw a lot of good things this offseason and it kind of surprised me he didn't play better," Del Rio said, before later adding, "He's worked really hard. I think he prepared to play better than he did in the opener. We expect him to play better."

"Like I said before, just making more plays, going out there, trying to be more consistent, try to fly around and play a lot faster," Davis said.

"When we do get to [that look], we expect him to hold up," Del Rio said on Davis in coverage. "He didn't hold up very well in that situation. He gave up some big completions. So, we need him to be better and we need to do a little bit better job to make sure we keep him out of those situations."

Davis believes if he continues to "trust his technique" when in coverage, things will start to go his way in the future.

"You just gotta trust your technique at the end of the day," Davis said. "That's one of those things that no matter who you wind up against, you just go out there and do what you got to do, the same thing I've been doing all offseason. So I mean, going forward, it's just, no hiccups, just make more plays."

"Going forward, I know who I am as a player," Davis said. "So [now], just go make plays."

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...guars/3158361/

JDR basically said the obvious ... they need to try and limit the times hes 1 on 1 w a WR on in the slot but the times that it does happen, they need him to hold up.

Kam Curl - Im guessing they practiced in TC and planned on having him play in the box/pick up the extra WR etc but with his injury Jamin was the temporary back up plan?

Not ideal but Jamin is our "coverage" LB so hes option B or C, after Curl.

As I undertsood it from another explanation I heard, may have been Loiue Tee, if the back field is empty the WLB becomes responsible for the slot receiver, so it may be a scheme thing. But regardless, until Davis begins to effectively shut down the receiver he is responsible for the opposing OC is going to keep looking for cheap yards/first downs when he is on the field. They only have to look at last weeks film for 5 minutes to figire this out.

[sdskinsfan2001]

I'd like to see us roll with a 4-2-5.

Smith-Williams (Chase when he's back)
Payne
Allen
Sweat

Holcomb
Davis

Fuller
Jackson
Forrest
Curl
Juste or McCain

If we have 5 secondary guys on the field, we should be able to reduce Davis or Holcomb having to cover a slot WR.

[calia]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I'd like to see us roll with a 4-2-5.

Smith-Williams (Chase when he's back)
Payne
Allen
Sweat

Holcomb
Davis

Fuller
Jackson
Forrest
Curl
Juste or McCain

If we have 5 secondary guys on the field, we should be able to reduce Davis or Holcomb having to cover a slot WR.

I like this idea. Forrest hits like a LB and he's faster than our LBs -- we should make best use of that ability. I know it's one game, but it was impressive, and the reports were that he was impressive all through camp. I am hoping that St. Juste can step up -- there were positive reports on him as well, although I don't have the impression that he had a particularly effective game v. Jax.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I'd like to see us roll with a 4-2-5.

Smith-Williams (Chase when he's back)
Payne
Allen
Sweat

Holcomb
Davis

Fuller
Jackson
Forrest
Curl
Juste or McCain

If we have 5 secondary guys on the field, we should be able to reduce Davis or Holcomb having to cover a slot WR.

Isn't that what they have mostly run? Maybe not exact same personnel, but 4 on the line, 2 LBs, and 5 DBs?

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Isn't that what they have mostly run? Maybe not exact same personnel, but 4 on the line, 2 LBs, and 5 DBs?

I was watching at a super packed bar so I really didn't pay that close of attention. I thought they were talking about running 5 man fronts.

Hopefully if Forrest can play like that all year we will have more flexibility with the secondary.

[skinsfan69]

Can we play w/ no LB's?

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Can we play w/ no LB's?

The ole 4-0-7 defense!!

[Chief X_Phackter]

I was asking...not sure. Just trying to determine which 5 players would be on the line... Seems like it's almost always 4.

[FrenchSkin]

The 4-2-5 (Nickel) is our base defense.

The only difference is with Curl out what we saw in the secondary was mainly:
WJ3, Fuller, St Juste, Forrest, McCain.

I don't think we played even one snap in 4-3. Maybe a bit of Dime (4-1-6). But 4-2-5 is our base indeed.

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[Chief X_Phackter]

That's what I was thinking.