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[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

The big problem is AP, not the staff. Though it is meh. AP has been atrocious in his short time here.

Year 1 NFC Championship game

Year 2 wrecked by injuries

Not sure how you can say he’s been atrocious when injuries have thrown this season completely off course

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by calia

I am not ready to say that AP has failed -- draft picks take time.

2024:
1 (2): QB Jayden Daniels [OROY, injury concerns year 2]
2 (36): DI Jer’Zhan Newton [disappointment so far; just flashes]
2 (50): CB Mike Sainristil [good rookie season undone by scheme (I would argue)]
2 (53): TE Ben Sinnott [no real opportunities yet -- will seen the rest of this season; TBD]
3 (67): OT Brandon Coleman [will at least be a rotational piece if not swing tackle]
3 (100): WR Luke McCaffrey [was playing well on special teams in particular before his injury]
5 (139): LB Jordan Magee [I think he will start in year 3; shown potential]
5 (161): S Dominique Hampton [gone; no ROI]
7 (222): EDGE Javontae Jean-Baptiste, Notre Dame [had been showing potential from the edge before injury]

2025:
Round 1, Pick 29: Josh Conerly [good pick and trending up]
Round 2, Pick 61: Trey Amos, CB, [unlucky with the injury, but our best CB this year]
Round 4, Pick 128: Jaylin Lane, WR/PR, [too early to tell, but not much impact yet]
Round 6, Pick 205: Kain Medrano, LB, [hasn't seen the field yet, but still early]
Round 7, Pick 245: Jacory Croskey-Merritt, RB, definite potential here -- already good value for a 7th rounder]

His free agents have been a mixed bag for sure, with the most obvious and impactful failure being Lattimore. But he also signed Tunsil (stud), Armstrong (having strong year before injury), Luvu and Wagner (great year 1, not so much year 2, but at least Luvu can bounce back), Deebo (I think he's played well for us), Wise (was playing well before injury), and Will Harris (got hurt pretty early so hard to tell). He also signed a bunch of other guys to fill gaps left by injury -- Miller, Smith, a bunch of WRs -- none of whom look likely to stick around with the possible exception of Burks, but it's hard to fault him too much here.

One could say that not giving the DE position enough attention was a flaw, and that's not unfair. But we did lost our top 3 DEs -- Armstrong, Wise, and Jean-Baptiste -- early in the season, and it's really hard to know how that would have gone had they stayed healthy. These DEs played reasonably well in the weeks they played, and Armstrong was leading or tied for the lead in sacks in the early going.

I am not ready to write off AP at this point. And I certainly don't agree that he's been atrocious.

good post, i think alot of perfect storm this season has really brought everyone down

my concerns are we got get better on D and can JD5 make it through a NFL season

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

Year 1 NFC Championship game

Year 2 wrecked by injuries

Not sure how you can say he’s been atrocious when injuries have thrown this season completely off course

We rode the greatest rookie quarterback season in history as far as we could. The team as a whole is older, slower, and worse. Oh and we are short draft picks next year on top of that. If you look at every move and every pick outside the obvious pick for JD that my dog could have made there are numerous head scratchers. Amos, Tunsil, good moves. Ron left the cupboards bare and AP needed to hit on most of his picks but so far they are mostly looking like busts. Newton, Quan, Coleman, Sinnott, Kain, Mikey S, …I hope he makes me eat crow, but in my humble opinion he doesn’t know what he is doing. Prove me wrong AP, for the love of all that is holy, prove me wrong.

[davy]

Originally Posted by punch it in

We rode the greatest rookie quarterback season in history as far as we could. The team as a whole is older, slower, and worse. Oh and we are short draft picks next year on top of that. If you look at every move and every pick outside the obvious pick for JD that my dog could have made there are numerous head scratchers. Amos, Tunsil, good moves. Ron left the cupboards bare and AP needed to hit on most of his picks but so far they are mostly looking like busts. Newton, Quan, Coleman, Sinnott, Kain, Mikey S, …I hope he makes me eat crow, but in my humble opinion he doesn’t know what he is doing. Prove me wrong AP, for the love of all that is holy, prove me wrong.

Did you stick Quan Martin in there hoping nobody would notice?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by davy

Did you stick Quan Martin in there hoping nobody would notice?

Was he the year before Peters? Lol. Well let’s replace him with McCaffrey. Still going to amount to a lopsided amounts of bad picks for one draft….

[davy]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Was he the year before Peters? Lol. Well let’s replace him with McCaffrey. Still going to amount to a lopsided amounts of bad picks for one draft….

Yeah, he was.

Can't disagree about the picks being uninspiring so far but I want to see how these guys do with new DC and OC before writing them off.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by calia

I am not ready to say that AP has failed -- draft picks take time.

2024:
1 (2): QB Jayden Daniels [OROY, injury concerns year 2]
2 (36): DI Jer’Zhan Newton [disappointment so far; just flashes]
2 (50): CB Mike Sainristil [good rookie season undone by scheme (I would argue)]
2 (53): TE Ben Sinnott [no real opportunities yet -- will seen the rest of this season; TBD]
3 (67): OT Brandon Coleman [will at least be a rotational piece if not swing tackle]
3 (100): WR Luke McCaffrey [was playing well on special teams in particular before his injury]
5 (139): LB Jordan Magee [I think he will start in year 3; shown potential]
5 (161): S Dominique Hampton [gone; no ROI]
7 (222): EDGE Javontae Jean-Baptiste, Notre Dame [had been showing potential from the edge before injury]

2025:
Round 1, Pick 29: Josh Conerly [good pick and trending up]
Round 2, Pick 61: Trey Amos, CB, [unlucky with the injury, but our best CB this year]
Round 4, Pick 128: Jaylin Lane, WR/PR, [too early to tell, but not much impact yet]
Round 6, Pick 205: Kain Medrano, LB, [hasn't seen the field yet, but still early]
Round 7, Pick 245: Jacory Croskey-Merritt, RB, definite potential here -- already good value for a 7th rounder]

His free agents have been a mixed bag for sure, with the most obvious and impactful failure being Lattimore. But he also signed Tunsil (stud), Armstrong (having strong year before injury), Luvu and Wagner (great year 1, not so much year 2, but at least Luvu can bounce back), Deebo (I think he's played well for us), Wise (was playing well before injury), and Will Harris (got hurt pretty early so hard to tell). He also signed a bunch of other guys to fill gaps left by injury -- Miller, Smith, a bunch of WRs -- none of whom look likely to stick around with the possible exception of Burks, but it's hard to fault him too much here.

One could say that not giving the DE position enough attention was a flaw, and that's not unfair. But we did lost our top 3 DEs -- Armstrong, Wise, and Jean-Baptiste -- early in the season, and it's really hard to know how that would have gone had they stayed healthy. These DEs played reasonably well in the weeks they played, and Armstrong was leading or tied for the lead in sacks in the early going.

I am not ready to write off AP at this point. And I certainly don't agree that he's been atrocious.

Good post

[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

We rode the greatest rookie quarterback season in history as far as we could. The team as a whole is older, slower, and worse. Oh and we are short draft picks next year on top of that. If you look at every move and every pick outside the obvious pick for JD that my dog could have made there are numerous head scratchers. Amos, Tunsil, good moves. Ron left the cupboards bare and AP needed to hit on most of his picks but so far they are mostly looking like busts. Newton, Quan, Coleman, Sinnott, Kain, Mikey S, …I hope he makes me eat crow, but in my humble opinion he doesn’t know what he is doing. Prove me wrong AP, for the love of all that is holy, prove me wrong.

So basically no credit for last year but all the blame for this year. Seems fair.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by MTK

So basically no credit for last year but all the blame for this year.

Nah, just reading between the lines. We rode the greatest rookie quarterback season of all time all the way to the NFC Championship game and the rest of team seemed inspired by it …. we caught lightning in a bottle. Can never take that away from us. However, the truth was that we really were not that talented around JD, and certainly had no depth.

We will see what AP does going forward, and like I said before I hope he makes me eat crow. *

[rocnrik]

truth is they would have been better off not having that amazing season last year .. it raised the expectations so high! This year is one of the most bizarre i've ever seen , i believe that The way They handled Terry sat the stage for this and Lattimore was a huge blunder, The injuries started and it snowballed into this mess.. it certainly exposed the weakness of the entire team , The biggest thing that will have to change is The way JD is used ..He cannot remain healthy with his build running around taking shots .. if that's what they wanted then they picked the wrong Guy , Lots of us said that when the drafted him .. Maye would have been better if they want durability.. We shall see

[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Nah, just reading between the lines. We rode the greatest rookie quarterback season of all time all the way to the NFC Championship game and the rest of team seemed inspired by it …. we caught lightning in a bottle. Can never take that away from us. However, the truth was that we really were not that talented around JD, and certainly had no depth.

We will see what AP does going forward, and like I said before I hope he makes me eat crow. *

Slight exaggeration to think JD did it all himself. He had plenty of help from impactful moves like Ertz, Luvu, Fowler, Wagner, Armstrong, Biadasz, Ekeler, Chinn, etc.

[calia]

Originally Posted by MTK

Slight exaggeration to think JD did it all himself. He had plenty of help from impactful moves like Ertz, Luvu, Fowler, Wagner, Armstrong, Biadasz, Ekeler, Chinn, etc.

BTW, I think the loss of Ekeler really hurt us. The guy had gotten into terrific shape in the offseason (said he felt the best he had in years), and was a real threat catching passes out of the backfield. We didn't have any RBs with that ability (or at least close to what Ekeler could do), although i would like to have seen more passes to them (McNichol at least has shown some of that ability in the past).

We've been down for significant portions of the season: our starting QB (most of the season), starting RB, top 2 WRs, best return man (and #4 WR), top 2 CBs, top 3 DEs, and starting FS -- that's a shit-ton of talent unavailable to us (and we can add our starting TE to the list now too). If at the outset of the season, if someone said that we'd be missing all these pieces, I don't think anyone on this site would have said we'd have a winning record.

Other teams have lost impact players for sure and done better than we have (e.g., SF). But with 8 seasons together, they've drafted greater depth than we can do in the wake of Rivera, and I can't think of any team that has lost as many actual starters as we have.

I get it that folks are miserable with the way things have gone -- I'm right there with you. But not acknowledging this brutal reality and concluding that the coaches and AP are primarily to blame seems wrong to me. I am not saying give them a complete pass either -- DQ didn't have the team ready against the Vikings, and that's inexcusable, as was throwing the ball 4 times in a row on 1st and goal from the 2 when CRod was running so well. And we've all talked about how worried we were about the DE situation at the outset of the season -- although the first couple of games were a pleasant surprise on that front until the group got decimated by injuries.

So 2025 will go down as a lost season, but I think we're primed for a bounce-back in 2026 with some critical pieces in place (QB and OL for starters -- when was the last time we thought we had those positions right?), and a lot of cap $ to spend.

[calia]

Looks like Bowles may be available this offseason. Sheesh.


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[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by calia

Looks like Bowles may be available this offseason. Sheesh.


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Yes, and I wonder if Mike Evans will be looking around after the way he left the field. Not a happy camper. We're not the only crappy D out there.

[88Commanders00]

As we enter the crucial 3rd year for Jayden; we must get him the right head coach.


Why is year 3 crucial? We need to see Jayden bounce back and show us the magic he had in 24. Also, he needs to stay relatively healthy.

In the offseason of 27; Jayden can negotiate a contract extension. Also, we can pick up that 5th year option. So, how he does in 2026 will dictate that.

If he has a poor season either thru injury or poor play; then he’s not getting his option picked up. Also, probably won’t offer any extension until the following year; if he plays well. Finally, you would have to bring a qb in; to challenge him for the job.


DQ is not the head coach to move forward with. We need an offensive head coach. You can always find a good defensive coordinator.