Most Overrated NFL Player?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

Office, you just have it in for lavar for some reason.
lavar has never been the most overrated player on the skins defense, thats like saying joe gibbs is the most overrated coach in the league. it's hard for lavar to get comfortable in a system when the system and the players changes EVERY year, just like it was hard for gibbs to pick up from where he left off 12 years ago.

i would say champ bailey was more overrated then lavar, he got burned more times then lavar was out of position.

if you went back and looked at all the different defensive players that have played on the skins with lavar i would garentee you would find a more overrated player for each year.
here's a few names that come to mind.
bailey
sanders
stubblefield
smoot
trotter
and thats just on defense, there are even more on offense. so to say lavar is the most overrated redskin is just rediculouse.

Elfkins, Please don't start comparing Lavar to Gibb's I may have to throw up.

I do like your bringing up of Champ though, my belief was at the time that Smoot was a better CB than Champ, and I used to tell my Giant buddies that all the time, but I would have been exiled from this board if I harped on it at the time, Champ is right there with Lavar as being overated, but Lavar defiently beats him out.


As for some of those other names, Deion is over the hill not overated, How did Trotter look this year? No way he looked overated, probably come back player of the year IMO, we made him look overated, Stubby had established himself before we signed him and was deserving of his contract, we have had a way of bringing out the worst in some players. Smoot is not overated, if anything going in to last season he was underated, I don't think he was worth his contract but that doesn't neccasarily alway's make you overated, just means he was lucky enough to find a team with a real need at his position.



As for Urlacher, we all know he's hyped up, but the kid can play, I have seen him to many times to say otherwise, is the kid Dick Butkis in the middle? No! but he is a good MLB, and IMO has outplayed Lavar since they entered the league.

[wolfeskins]

i'm not comparing lavar to gibbs as person to person, i'm comparing their situations. as for those guys i mentioned as being more overrated than lavar, on the day the skins signed each one of thos players, they were more overrated than lavar. smoot was overrated because many people think he was a #1 cb but he was only a decent #2.

[ST21]

Firstdown, You Said It, One Season Hurt, 3 Season In The League...2 Playoffs...wow...if M. Vick Was White, Would He Steve Young, And Was Steve Young Overrated Before Or After He Won The Superbowl, Its Always Funny To Me How Players Like Mike Vick, Gets Picked On But No One Says Anything About All Those Bust That Came In The League Or In The League Now, That M Vick Hasn't Thrown At A High Percentage, But Can He Get Some Years In About 5 Before We Start Calling Him A Bust, They Said That About Mcnabb, So If Peyton Didn't Have Marvin Harrison, What Would His Stats Be Like, And Have Manning Been As Deep In The Playoffs As Vick.....i Sure For You Slo Footed Folks, That You Couldn't Possibily Couldn't Understand That Kind Of Athleticism...will See Who Will Make The Superbowl First

[ST21]

sociofan....oh my god...now randy moss is overrated....how do you all come up with this, and Deion the best shut down cb in the league, oh yeah defensive player of the year.....numerious pro bowls, he has what 3 superbowl.....yeah and he's going to the hall of fame....yeah i guess if thats overrated, i can see how everyone in here think vick is........i'll take Vick over Ramsey nervious ass

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

Sorry?? For what? Having an opinion? Come on we all have opinion's, nothing to be sorry for.

I should have clarified, I'm sorry you're wrong

[ST21]

FOR AFICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE, ITS BEEN ALONG TIME COMING, BEFORE THERE WERE SUCH THING AS A COLORED QB, IT WAS SAID WE WEREN'T SMART ENOUGH, WE WERN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO BE A TEAM LEADER, THEN WARREN MOON, CAME ALONG AND THEN DOUG WILLIAMS WINS A SUPERBOWL, DID YOU KNOW THAT WARREN MOON IS SECOND TO DAN MARINO, IN PASSING YARDS...FYI, AND NOW THE LEAGUE MOST EXCITING PLAYERS ARE VICK, MCNABB, CULPEPPER, ITS AMAZING, IF VICK USES HIS SKILLS AT HIS POSTIONS, HES OVERRATED, BUT IF PEYTON USES HIS BRAIN, THEN HE HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE VICK, NOT TRUE PEYTON IS HEAD AND SHOULDERS ABOVE EVERY QB....BUT TO MOST OF US VICK IS A HERO, WE RELATE TO THOSE PLAYERS...BOTTOM LINE, VICK HAS CHANGE THE FACE OF FOOTBALL, DO YOU HAVE TO STAND IN THE POCKET TO BE GREAT...IS FRAN TARKENTON IN THE HALL OF FAME, HIS WORST SEASON HE WAS 49% AND HIS BEST HE WAS AT 64%...CAREER 57%, 342 TD AND 266 INT's one season he rushed 62 times in one season, according to most hear he would be a very overrated player........

[GoSkins!]

Lavar may be the most overrated player, but the Seahawk have to be the most overrated team. Every year I hear these analysts predict how great of a year they are going to have just to see them get blown away early in the playoffs. Heck, even we beat them..

[Daseal]

WeWhite - First of all, calm down with the capitilization. It's tedious to read that crap, just use regular sentences. The nice thing about this board is using all caps isn't necessary because most everyone reads the entire post.

Also, I've never seen someone incorporate so much racism into football. I don't know a single person who sees a black guy behind center and says "He can't be a QB." The fact of the matter is Vick isn't a prototypical QB whereas Peyton Manning is. Peyton Manning is very smart, great at reading defenses, and calls his own plays, I honestly don't think that Vick can handle or acheive any of that. Before you call me some sort of racist lets look at the backround I know on Vick: 1) Couldn't handle Dan Reeves system. The terminology and plays had to be simplified for Vick to understand them. 2) My friends sister tutored him while she was at tech. My friend (who by the way is the biggest vick fan in the world) said that his sister told him that Vick was by far the dumbest person she ever met. That doesn't speak volumes for him when it comes to reading defenses.

Vick is an exciting player, he's a great scrambler, but he still has work to do to become a great QB. It's like calling an H-Back a TE. Kinda -- but not really. His arm strength is great, his scrambling is the best we've ever seen, and he has potential out his ass. Not having any receivers besides Crumpler doesn't exactly help his cause, but he's not yet a very good passer. I think he'll slowly make the transition as his body gets older/takes more abuse he'll have to protect himself more. Funny you mention McNabb, he became an all-pro when he started to pass more (though he's not accurate either).

For someone who brings racism up at a drop of a hat, it's ironic you're such a skins fan. Considering that historically the Redskins have been a very racist franchise. One owner (can't remember his name) blasted someone from the WP and said he couldn't make a better pick in the draft, they gave the guy from the WP a pick in the last round (back then I think it was 13th or something) and before this the Redskins had not yet been integrated (we were the last NFL team I believe, until pressured by the league) the WP chose some TE that they said was black, told the owner that the Redskins now had their first black player, the owner flipped out and got the pick rejected, but it turned out the player wasn't even black to begin with. That story is kinda mish mashed from what I remember in some book about weird sports things. Not that I agree with this, but you must learn from histories mistakes.

WeWhite - do you write for ESPN. I read some tripe that Ben Wallace wasn't popular because he wasn't the type of black person white america wanted to see. He had an afro and tatoos. I'd give my left nut for an afro (I wanted one so bad I actually made my friend not cut his hair!) and god knows white America avoids tatoos like the plague... It's ridiculous. Ben is a great defensive player, but his offense lacks. What sells in most sports? Most of the time offense sells tickets, jerseys, and popularity. Defense in the NFL has contact and is quite a bit more exciting than taking a charge.

All in all -- what's with the racist stuff. I never see anyone say anything remotely close to racist, yet you're always bringing up that because an athelete is black we don't like/think they're over-rated. Is it so hard to fathom that we are able to look past skin color and look at their personallity (as best as we can tell from the media), and their skills to decide? The only racist comments I ever see on this board are yours.

[jacobyfan]

I will make the case that I have NO IDEA whether his recievers are any good are not. It could be mostly Vick's problem. And can we stop with the racist bullshit? And for goodness sake please at least use some type of reasonable sentence structure and punctuation. Vick didn't singlehandedly do anything with that team. He has a great defense and good RBs and good OL. That's the reason they're in the playoffs. If Vick couldn't run, he'd be in the dustbin of history with Health Shuler and Ryan Leaf. period.

[jacobyfan]

Also, Heath Shuler and Ryan leaf were white. It didn't help them not suck. Not that that's a fair comparison, though. Vick is WAY better than either of those guys.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Daseal

WeWhite - First of all, calm down with the capitilization. It's tedious to read that crap, just use regular sentences. The nice thing about this board is using all caps isn't necessary because most everyone reads the entire post.

Also, I've never seen someone incorporate so much racism into football. I don't know a single person who sees a black guy behind center and says "He can't be a QB." The fact of the matter is Vick isn't a prototypical QB whereas Peyton Manning is. Peyton Manning is very smart, great at reading defenses, and calls his own plays, I honestly don't think that Vick can handle or acheive any of that. Before you call me some sort of racist lets look at the backround I know on Vick: 1) Couldn't handle Dan Reeves system. The terminology and plays had to be simplified for Vick to understand them. 2) My friends sister tutored him while she was at tech. My friend (who by the way is the biggest vick fan in the world) said that his sister told him that Vick was by far the dumbest person she ever met. That doesn't speak volumes for him when it comes to reading defenses.

Vick is an exciting player, he's a great scrambler, but he still has work to do to become a great QB. It's like calling an H-Back a TE. Kinda -- but not really. His arm strength is great, his scrambling is the best we've ever seen, and he has potential out his ass. Not having any receivers besides Crumpler doesn't exactly help his cause, but he's not yet a very good passer. I think he'll slowly make the transition as his body gets older/takes more abuse he'll have to protect himself more. Funny you mention McNabb, he became an all-pro when he started to pass more (though he's not accurate either).

For someone who brings racism up at a drop of a hat, it's ironic you're such a skins fan. Considering that historically the Redskins have been a very racist franchise. One owner (can't remember his name) blasted someone from the WP and said he couldn't make a better pick in the draft, they gave the guy from the WP a pick in the last round (back then I think it was 13th or something) and before this the Redskins had not yet been integrated (we were the last NFL team I believe, until pressured by the league) the WP chose some TE that they said was black, told the owner that the Redskins now had their first black player, the owner flipped out and got the pick rejected, but it turned out the player wasn't even black to begin with. That story is kinda mish mashed from what I remember in some book about weird sports things. Not that I agree with this, but you must learn from histories mistakes.

WeWhite - do you write for ESPN. I read some tripe that Ben Wallace wasn't popular because he wasn't the type of black person white america wanted to see. He had an afro and tatoos. I'd give my left nut for an afro (I wanted one so bad I actually made my friend not cut his hair!) and god knows white America avoids tatoos like the plague... It's ridiculous. Ben is a great defensive player, but his offense lacks. What sells in most sports? Most of the time offense sells tickets, jerseys, and popularity. Defense in the NFL has contact and is quite a bit more exciting than taking a charge.

All in all -- what's with the racist stuff. I never see anyone say anything remotely close to racist, yet you're always bringing up that because an athelete is black we don't like/think they're over-rated. Is it so hard to fathom that we are able to look past skin color and look at their personallity (as best as we can tell from the media), and their skills to decide? The only racist comments I ever see on this board are yours.

Originally, I was going to repeat EXACTLY what you said. Excellent explanation. Let's calm down with the racist bullshit.

[jacobyfan]

On the Topic of Ben Wallace, he's my favorite player in the NBA. Hard work and heart. He's a joy to watch and since we're talking about being underrated or overrrated, I think he still manages to be underrated somehow.

[Red Robert]

Deasel without a doubt you are one of the most articulate guys on this board, well put.

Again way to go to whoever started this threat, you are the best.

[Red Robert]

Thanks alot Redrobert, I did start it.

[MTK]

Daseal is right, race has nothing to do with this conversation, so let's just stay away from that altogether.