Redskins, Cowboys could go “nuclear” over cap mess

[skinster]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

Could've, would've should've. Nonsense. You play to win, not for a better place in the draft! We're trying to build a winner, and you don't do that by losing. Ever.

Despite the fact that I think I just told you how losing a few more games would help build us a winner...I could go on and on about how so many of the great teams today are only good because they lost and had good draft position.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinster

Could have saved ourselves 2 first rounders and a high second by losing a few more games. I don't understand how you or anyone else can justify 3 wins in a completely meaningless season being worth three stud players. Maybe we should have made a deal with the devil and given offered Kerrigan, Orakpo, and Trent Williams as tribute to go 8-8 last year. Worth it?

I'm giving Picard a break in the offseason...

[los panda]

Originally Posted by skinster

Could have saved ourselves 2 first rounders and a high second by losing a few more games. I don't understand how you or anyone else can justify 3 wins in a completely meaningless season being worth three stud players. Maybe we should have made a deal with the devil and given offered Kerrigan, Orakpo, and Trent Williams as tribute to go 8-8 last year. Worth it?

yes, it would have been nice to have kept the 2nd 2012, 1st 2013, and 1st 2014. how should they have thrown 3 games? should rex have handed the ball off to an opposing defensive lineman? should we have played the games with 8 players on the field at a time? get real homie

[SkinItup]

Originally Posted by skinster

Could have saved ourselves 2 first rounders and a high second by losing a few more games. I don't understand how you or anyone else can justify 3 wins in a completely meaningless season being worth three stud players. Maybe we should have made a deal with the devil and given offered Kerrigan, Orakpo, and Trent Williams as tribute to go 8-8 last year. Worth it?

Ideally, you aren't giving up two high first rounders like Trent and Brian. Something more like Kendall Wright and a A.J. Jenkins pick would be more acceptable.

[SBXVII]

I love that old saying....

We can lose the battle but were gunna win the war. We might lose in Arbitration but I think Goodell, Mara, and the CEC, and other owners know if it gets brought before a court of law they most likely will lose and possibly bad .... maybe loosing out on their exemption they've lived off of for their entire inception.

[NC_Skins]

Are people really sitting here discussing how the Skins should have lost more games last year??

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Are people really sitting here discussing how the Skins should have lost more games last year??

Sorry guys, it's deep off season and I needed to amuse myself. Hopefully skinster is a gang of one. Don't think so, but I'm out.

Hail.

[JPPT1974]

Well with RG3, hopefully the losing streak will end!

[44Deezel]

You can draft high #1s all you want, as the Skins have done for years, but you will suck until you get a QB. TW, Orrakpo, Kerrigan PLUS Rex EQUALS 5-11.

Patriots with One of the worst defenses in history, statistically speaking, PLUS Tom Brady EQUALS one Wes Welker drop from winning the Super Bowl.

It's simple math, people.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Patriots with One of the worst defenses in history, statistically speaking, PLUS Tom Brady EQUALS one Wes Welker drop from winning the Super Bowl.

They were middle of the pack in points allowed. That's the only thing that truly matters with defense. Who gives a shit if you give up 500 yards a game if the team only gets 15 points on the board.


Side note:

Why pinning that loss on Welker? Brady's throw wasn't where it should have been placed. Also, the safety in that game ring a bell?

It's funny. Brady loses a game, it's everybody elses fault.

Manning loses games, and it's because he's not clutch.


lol the logic in much of these types of discussions is hilarious.

[HoopheadVII]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

They were middle of the pack in points allowed. That's the only thing that truly matters with defense. Who gives a shit if you give up 500 yards a game if the team only gets 15 points on the board.

It matters because the defense works with what the offense and special teams gives them. A defense can give up relatively more yards and fewer points if it always starts with great field position.

According to FootballOutsiders, NE's defense enjoyed the second best average starting position in the league last year.

By DVOA - which is a better stat than either yards allowed or points allowed, the Pats were dead last. Even if you look at pts/drive they were #21 - despite their great average starting position.

[skinster]

Woah Woah Woah. Let me reiterate. I never said throw any games, and I'm not complaining about anything. If any team threw any game, that would be a mockery of the sport. At the same time, it was in our best interest to lose more games in a MEANINGLESS year, and as a fan I don't think it is unreasonable to want the teams best interest.

I'm not complaining. Simply commenting on someone elses post who said they have no idea why fans would have wanted our team to lose more games last season. All is said is so we could have 3 extra picks. I guarantee each and every single one of you would feel the same now about a 2-14 season as you would a 5-11 season. Both are equal in that they are wasted seasons, but 2-14 would have saved us two firsts and a high second.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by skinster

it was in our best interest to lose more games in a MEANINGLESS year

how should they have done what was in their best interest?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by skinster

Woah Woah Woah. Let me reiterate. I never said throw any games, and I'm not complaining about anything. If any team threw any game, that would be a mockery of the sport. At the same time, it was in our best interest to lose more games in a MEANINGLESS year, and as a fan I don't think it is unreasonable to want the teams best interest.

I'm not complaining. Simply commenting on someone elses post who said they have no idea why fans would have wanted our team to lose more games last season. All is said is so we could have 3 extra picks. I guarantee each and every single one of you would feel the same now about a 2-14 season as you would a 5-11 season. Both are equal in that they are wasted seasons, but 2-14 would have saved us two firsts and a high second.

Seriously though, it's just the nature of sports all the around. I think what you were TRYING to say is, "Sucks we were just good enough to have to give up picks to get our (hopefully) franchise QB."

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinster

Woah Woah Woah. Let me reiterate. I never said throw any games, and I'm not complaining about anything. If any team threw any game, that would be a mockery of the sport. At the same time, it was in our best interest to lose more games in a MEANINGLESS year, and as a fan I don't think it is unreasonable to want the teams best interest.

I'm not complaining. Simply commenting on someone elses post who said they have no idea why fans would have wanted our team to lose more games last season. All is said is so we could have 3 extra picks. I guarantee each and every single one of you would feel the same now about a 2-14 season as you would a 5-11 season. Both are equal in that they are wasted seasons, but 2-14 would have saved us two firsts and a high second.

What if we went 2-14, but that still wasn't good enough for the 2nd overall pick, and we ended up with the third overall pick? So we decide we want RG3, but since a bunch of other teams want him too and one (Cleveland) tells the Rams they'll give them 3 first round picks, what do we do? Do we still give up 3 firsts and a 2nd just to move up one spot?

The whole point of that scenario is that we don't know what would've happened. And you can't teach an entire football team of players to lose, and you can't bench them and play your entire bench to lose either, because everybody would know what you're trying to do then, and it would be a pr disaster, probably costing your coach and gm their jobs, and so forth.