Redskins, Cowboys could go “nuclear” over cap mess

[skinster]

Originally Posted by mooby

What if we went 2-14, but that still wasn't good enough for the 2nd overall pick, and we ended up with the third overall pick? So we decide we want RG3, but since a bunch of other teams want him too and one (Cleveland) tells the Rams they'll give them 3 first round picks, what do we do? Do we still give up 3 firsts and a 2nd just to move up one spot?

The whole point of that scenario is that we don't know what would've happened. And you can't teach an entire football team of players to lose, and you can't bench them and play your entire bench to lose either, because everybody would know what you're trying to do then, and it would be a pr disaster, probably costing your coach and gm their jobs, and so forth.

First of all, 2-14 would have given us the first overall pick because of the tiebreaker.
Second of all, I want to say for a third time in this thread, I'm not saying that the coaches should coach to lose, or the players play to lose, I know that is impossible to pull off and if it wasn't, it would lessen the product of the NFL to have any team tank any game. I'm saying that from a fan perspective it would have been beneficial for us to lose 3 more games. Do you see the difference?

[SirClintonPortis]

It's ok to feel if you must win even the most meaningless of games due to "ethics", but don't complain one iota about the pain from the costs associated with it(like lost draft picks for a trade up), because that's a part of upholding said "ethics".
I will be waiting to see how people respond to the first round of the draft in the next couple of years. Someone will probably be moping about not being able to pick in the first round.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinster

First of all, 2-14 would have given us the first overall pick because of the tiebreaker.
Second of all, I want to say for a third time in this thread, I'm not saying that the coaches should coach to lose, or the players play to lose, I know that is impossible to pull off and if it wasn't, it would lessen the product of the NFL to have any team tank any game. I'm saying that from a fan perspective it would have been beneficial for us to lose 3 more games. Do you see the difference?

I understand you're getting a little defensive here because nobody agrees with your perspective, but I'm not trying to get into a serious discussion about this.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by skinster

First of all, 2-14 would have given us the first overall pick because of the tiebreaker.
Second of all, I want to say for a third time in this thread, I'm not saying that the coaches should coach to lose, or the players play to lose, I know that is impossible to pull off and if it wasn't, it would lessen the product of the NFL to have any team tank any game. I'm saying that from a fan perspective it would have been beneficial for us to lose 3 more games. Do you see the difference?

you do realize that if shanahan deliberately tanked any games, he'd lose all respect and credibility in the locker room and would lose the team, probably for good. in addition, if word ever got out that the skins deliberately tanked games to get a higher draft pick (and word would get out), i'm pretty sure the league would strip them of draft picks and/or salary cap space.

so no, it would not have been beneficial for us in the long run. everyone is entitled to an opinion, but yours is ridiculously stupid.

[VegasSkinsFan]

holy ****, just when I thought this thread couldn't get worse.

[los panda]

[JoeRedskin]

... and, as I recall, there were several quarterbacks who still hadn't made it clear that they were entering the draft.

As I said the first time this discussion came up going to suck for luck debate, you win as often as you can - by as much as you can and then let the chips fall where they may.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinster

... I guarantee each and every single one of you would feel the same now about a 2-14 season as you would a 5-11 season...

For me the 5-11 comes with the knowledge that Becks qb play cost us 3 games and Rex wasn't much better. So I can look at the team and say qb was a huge and direct cause. If we were 2-14 I would be thinking more like the Colts are in that we need to blow the whole thing IP and start over. So for me 5-11 is nothing like 2-14. And the picks are just the necessary cost to improve the one area that was the weakest (by far) part of the team.

[MTK]

Alright, let's stay on topic. This thread was painful enough as is.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Alright, let's stay on topic. This thread was painful enough as is.

How about we close this one and start a new one as it appears that the dead horse has, indeed, come back as a goat, a chicken and a half eaten taco.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Alright, let's stay on topic. This thread was painful enough as is.

LOL, and here I came into the thread thinking there might be some new insight or word.

Nope, their not even argueing the points like I was. Nope, just argueing about tanking. After the fact. When we have no control over it anymore.

Maybe we should open a thread for fans who just want to argue about nothing at all.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

LOL, and here I came into the thread thinking there might be some new insight or word.

Nope, their not even argueing the points like I was. Nope, just argueing about tanking. After the fact. When we have no control over it anymore.

Maybe we should open a thread for fans who just want to argue about nothing at all.

I think those are called offseason threads. LOL.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think those are called offseason threads. LOL.

Hey maybe we could change the topic yet again... and argue about something else that means nothing....

No those threads are not called that. Stop making stuff up. lol.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Maybe we should open a thread for fans who just want to argue about nothing at all.

....then you would be exstremskins.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Alright, let's stay on topic. This thread was painful enough as is.

gotchya. read it a little late.