Campbell's numbers dont lie

[DBUCHANON101]

It is what it is, why must ppl spend so much time defending a guy who wont be here next here? GB and TB have terrible Olines and are not so solid team wise yet they can still score points. Not sayin its all jc's fault but he is not playing like a 1st rounder should be.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

It is what it is, why must ppl spend so much time defending a guy who wont be here next here? GB and TB have terrible Olines and are not so solid team wise yet they can still score points. Not sayin its all jc's fault but he is not playing like a 1st rounder should be.

First of all, we don't know he's gone. A lot of people would actually like to him stay another year IF the line is reinforced to see him play with a chance.

About playing like a first-rounder...how CAN he with the coaching and personnel around him. Vinny set up the team to fail around him, Zorn won't let Campbell take over and run the offense, plus he uses the entire offense improperly...and he has NO protection.

Campbell this year is looking like David Carr in the Houston years when he was sacked 50-60 times a year and had the skills but no chance to use them. With 25 sacks after 8 games already...17 in the last 4 and 11 in the last 2 games (they're increasing in frequency as the year progresses)...60 sacks could very well happen if he can physically survive until Week 17.

[Green1]

On one of the telecast a commentator said Zorn doesn't let JC call audibles. Is this true? If so that can explain a lot of the poor offensive performance.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Green1

On one of the telecast a commentator said Zorn doesn't let JC call audibles. Is this true? If so that can explain a lot of the poor offensive performance.

This is correct as far as what I've heard.. that we don't have them in the offensive plan.

[GTripp0012]

The key for Campbell is to get sacked less in the second half of the year than the first. If he develops a major ball-holding tendency, I don't think I'd tender him a contract. The OL is going to be bad: we know that. Just get the ball out quickly.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The key for Campbell is to get sacked less in the second half of the year than the first. If he develops a major ball-holding tendency, I don't think I'd tender him a contract. The OL is going to be bad: we know that. Just get the ball out quickly.

I was encouraged by the play Campbell made on the Yoder TD. He extended the play with his legs and threw an absolute strike. I wish that he would use his athletic ability more - he had some excellent runs when protection broke down and the Falcons were in man to man D.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The key for Campbell is to get sacked less in the second half of the year than the first. If he develops a major ball-holding tendency, I don't think I'd tender him a contract. The OL is going to be bad: we know that. Just get the ball out quickly.

Would you keep him as a back up?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Would you keep him as a back up?

Well, it'd probably change the tender amount. I don't think I'd have a situation where he was a non-tender (contrary to what I just said...I didn't mean literal non-tender, I meant no long term contract offer of any length), but what you can receive in a trade for a RFA is directly related to how much you're willing to pay for him.

If we tender him at the second round level, we can't expect to receive more than a fourth or best case a third for him. If we tender him at a first round level, we can probably get a second.

If he doesn't become a major ballholder, I'd be comfortable with him as our starter next year while we rebuild. If he does develop that tendency, I'd be more comfortable with him as a backup. I haven't made any conclusions yet, obviously, if he plays like he did in the Atlanta game the rest of the year, he'll end up somewhere as a starter next year.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Would you keep him as a back up?

I would keep him, and let him compete for the starting job. Hell, give him the starting job. Don't they just have to match the best offer for him? Shouldn't be that much. Draft a QB, rebuild the O line, get some running backs and hire a new coaching staff. Campbell may come out of nowhere next year and make fools out of his detractors, myself included. Maybe we end up with 2 starting caliber QBs on the roster. Not a bad position to be in. I wouldn't let Campbell walk if it doesn't cost an arm and a leg to keep him here.

[Zerohero]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

I would keep him, and let him compete for the starting job. Hell, give him the starting job. Don't they just have to match the best offer for him? Shouldn't be that much. Draft a QB, rebuild the O line, get some running backs and hire a new coaching staff. Campbell may come out of nowhere next year and make fools out of his detractors, myself included. Maybe we end up with 2 starting caliber QBs on the roster. Not a bad position to be in. I wouldn't let Campbell walk if it doesn't cost an arm and a leg to keep him here.

I really don't see the point of drafting more qb's, every year we draft one and they never play. To me just a wasted pick every year. I'll take a veteran anyday.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

I really don't see the point of drafting more qb's, every year we draft one and they never play. To me just a wasted pick every year. I'll take a veteran anyday.

Have you seen what free agency looks like at the QB position?

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The key for Campbell is to get sacked less in the second half of the year than the first. If he develops a major ball-holding tendency, I don't think I'd tender him a contract. The OL is going to be bad: we know that. Just get the ball out quickly.

About frigging time they moved the pocket around. There are ways to scheme around a poor Offensive line. I've been saying it here for over a year, damnit! They finally showed it in the second half. Roll out Campbell, throw screens, run draws, etc. You can't eliminate all sacks, but what team can?

I really like the shotgun look within the 5. About damn time for that as well. Must be a Sherm thang.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

About frigging time they moved the pocket around. There are ways to scheme around a poor Offensive line. I've been saying it here for over a year, damnit! They finally showed it in the second half. Roll out Campbell, throw screens, run draws, etc. You can't eliminate all sacks, but what team can?

I really like the shotgun look within the 5. About damn time for that as well. Must be a Sherm thang.

Thrilled with the way the offense has played since Sherm took over the calls!

Our line was bolstered slightly with Levi Jones and Rhinehart this week and they played well surprisingly, opening holes for Betts and protecting JC much better. They're not long-term answers but finally we have something resembling a competent line. I hope it continues. It if does, Campbell will by far be the clear choice of the 3 QBs we considered and would deserve to be brought back next year with some additions to the line.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Buster

Thrilled with the way the offense has played since Sherm took over the calls!

Our line was bolstered slightly with Levi Jones and Rhinehart this week and they played well surprisingly, opening holes for Betts and protecting JC much better. They're not long-term answers but finally we have something resembling a competent line. I hope it continues. It if does, Campbell will by far be the clear choice of the 3 QBs we considered and would deserve to be brought back next year with some additions to the line.

I just don't get your man love for JC. I mean I love the guy too but I'm not blind when it comes to judging him. His stat line looked fine yesterday. But he just doesn't do anything consistently well enough to win you a game or be a top QB. It's the same things w/ him....sloppy footwork, inaccurate, skiddish in the pocket, can't come off to his 2nd and 3rd wr's...and so on. I'm fine w/ bringing the guy back but we'd better bring in some serious competition and have Colt compete for the job too.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I just don't get your man love for JC. I mean I love the guy too but I'm not blind when it comes to judging him. His stat line looked fine yesterday. But he just doesn't do anything consistently well enough to win you a game or be a top QB. It's the same things w/ him....sloppy footwork, inaccurate, skiddish in the pocket, can't come off to his 2nd and 3rd wr's...and so on. I'm fine w/ bringing the guy back but we'd better bring in some serious competition and have Colt compete for the job too.

I don't get people's hate for him. I still hear people on here stating they'd still rather have Cutler or Sanchez, which amazes me. Campbell is performing better with less to work with and he still gets torn down. If you didn't notice, he's the only of the 3 QBs who played a good game this week and also the only one of the three whose team won!

This nonstop hatred for him is what keeps me up for tracking this all year long. He could throw 4 TDs and people would still manufacture excuses as to why he's not to be given credit and why he should be benched for the elderly Todd Collins or the inexperienced QB on IR named Colt Brennan.

Also, I don't get why people are shocked I'm posting this for another week. I have stated EVERY week that I'm doing this stat tracking and analysis all season long and have been supported and thanked by several members, yet every week, the response it "WHY ARE YOU STILL DOING THIS!?