Redskins vs. Cowboys Gameday thread

[SeasonTicketHolder]

I really don't want to see all the damn cowboy fans come back now after this. They disappeared for 2 months after we beat them in dallas.

[Gtothearry]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketHolder

I really don't want to see all the damn cowboy fans come back now after this. They disappeared for 2 months after we beat them in dallas.

Ohhh, and u know it's gonna happen. Im surprised I haven't heard anything from Boys fans. I didn't hear anything from them after Sept. 28th. However, u know they will come out of the woodwork again.

[53Fan]

I'm sitting here listening to Rabach say the problem is execution. Not play calling but execution. Is'nt that what you pay the players for... execution? I'm so freakin tired of listening to guys like him saying, we know what the problem is, we just need to execute better. WTF are they waiting for!? Hell, I can learn the plays!!! I can't execute them either...why don't they give me a fatass contract!!!?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I sitting here listening to Rabach say the problem is execution. Not play calling but execution. Is'nt that what you pay the players for... execution? I'm so freakin tired of listening to guys like him saying, we know what the problem is, we just need to execute better. WTF are they waiting for!? Hell, I can learn the plays!!! I can't execute them either...why don't they give me a fatass contract!!!?

Well, good players execute more often than bad players do. That's the only difference.

Rabach still has value in the running game, but is that the type of team we want to be?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I'm sitting here listening to Rabach say the problem is execution. Not play calling but execution. Is'nt that what you pay the players for... execution? I'm so freakin tired of listening to guys like him saying, we know what the problem is, we just need to execute better. WTF are they waiting for!? Hell, I can learn the plays!!! I can't execute them either...why don't they give me a fatass contract!!!?

The problem is Dallas' d-line just played better than our o-line. You can't execute when the guy across from you is kicking your ass. Ratliff was just better than Rabach. Let's give Dallas some credit. They played a little better than we did.

[Gtothearry]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The problem is Dallas' d-line just played better than our o-line. You can't execute when the guy across from you is kicking your ass. Ratliff was just better than Rabach. Let's give Dallas some credit. They played a little better than we did.

The problem is this is happening every week. I hate the skins lost another game because they left to many plays on the field.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The problem is Dallas' d-line just played better than our o-line. You can't execute when the guy across from you is kicking your ass. Ratliff was just better than Rabach. Let's give Dallas some credit. They played a little better than we did.

They did. Dallas won this game on the trenches on the ground. I tend to think they won it more on the outside in the air, but we're a ground team first, and Dallas beat us at what we like to do. That was the first problem right there.

[GTripp0012]

Last year on tape, I noticed that Jason Fabini had filled in for Randy Thomas with basically no dropoff. Yes, in the last two years, we've given extensions to Thomas and Jansen very foolishly, but I don't think it would hurt to go to Rinehart or Fabini at RG.

Of course, you can't have Rinehart and Heyer on the right side because that would be a disaster waiting to happen for creative DCs. So if Zorn wants to stick with Jansen at T, it may be time to change the Guard.

I don't see what Casey Rabach is giving us that any piece of trash Center off the street couldn't. What's so horrible about Geisinger that he can't give up two sacks to a nose tackle like Rabach did.

[JWsleep]

Listening to Zorn's presser, he basically called it correctly: the game was determined by the fact that they could get to our QB and we couldn't get to theirs.

He said that several deep plays (including an "easy TD to Thomas") were killed by pressure. He claimed that it's tough or JC if he has no time. But he noted a few plays (like the incomplete 4th down) where JC should have gone to another receiver. All this is pretty obvious, no doubt.

I went into this year thinking we're an 8-8 team that could be a WC if we play well and could be below 6 wins if we play poorly or have killer injuries. Let's get it turned around next week in Seattle. If we win there, it's 7-4 and home for the gints. It's clearly a must win next week--but thank god it's not the national night game!

At this point, we're going to have to dance with the date we came in with--I don't see the possibility of a big change on the o-line. Let's hope they can patch it up: Buges has worked miracles before. Thomas looked better today, IMO. Yes, he had the big 3rd down drop (thought he got held on that play, personally), but he made some plays. Kelley is the guy who needs to step up now, especially if ARE is hurt. It's time, kid. It would certainly be nice to see Davis, but that's less important right now.

Anyone who calls these guys busts is premature. Zorn is clearly not at all comfortable with folks who can't run the precise routes and Buges doesn't want a rookie TE to blow a blocking scheme. Those guys are learning. It's ok to bring them along slowly, IMO.

And those of you who think JC is a bust, I just don't see it. With time, he's shown he can make the plays. Even in this game, his mobility allowed a lot of stuff to happen. He also AUDIBLED to the QB draw--nice. And if Santana fucking Moss could have caught the ball, we might have won the game. That was a 50 yard pass that hit our #1 WR IN THE HANDS! Come on. JC is not the problem. He's not there yet, sure. But he's got the skills and under Zorn he's going to be a good one. Pass pro, everyone running the precise routes, and JC getting completely fluid on his 2nd and 3rd reads, and we'll be fine. Note that without O-line play, as all have correctly pointed out, it's moot.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Listening to Zorn's presser, he basically called it correctly: the game was determined by the fact that they could get to our QB and we couldn't get to theirs.

He said that several deep plays (including an "easy TD to Thomas") were killed by pressure. He claimed that it's tough or JC if he has no time. But he noted a few plays (like the incomplete 4th down) where JC should have gone to another receiver. All this is pretty obvious, no doubt.

I went into this year thinking we're an 8-8 team that could be a WC if we play well and could be below 6 wins if we play poorly or have killer injuries. Let's get it turned around next week in Seattle. If we win there, it's 7-4 and home for the gints. It's clearly a must win next week--but thank god it's not the national night game!

At this point, we're going to have to dance with the date we came in with--I don't see the possibility of a big change on the o-line. Let's hope they can patch it up: Buges has worked miracles before. Thomas looked better today, IMO. Yes, he had the big 3rd down drop (thought he got held on that play, personally), but he made some plays. Kelley is the guy who needs to step up now, especially if ARE is hurt. It's time, kid. It would certainly be nice to see Davis, but that's less important right now.

Anyone who calls these guys busts is premature. Zorn is clearly not at all comfortable with folks who can't run the precise routes and Buges doesn't want a rookie TE to blow a blocking scheme. Those guys are learning. It's ok to bring them along slowly, IMO.

And those of you who think JC is a bust, I just don't see it. With time, he's shown he can make the plays. Even in this game, his mobility allowed a lot of stuff to happen. He also AUDIBLED to the QB draw--nice. And if Santana fucking Moss could have caught the ball, we might have won the game. That was a 50 yard pass that hit our #1 WR IN THE HANDS! Come on. JC is not the problem. He's not there yet, sure. But he's got the skills and under Zorn he's going to be a good one. Pass pro, everyone running the precise routes, and JC getting completely fluid on his 2nd and 3rd reads, and we'll be fine. Note that without O-line play, as all have correctly pointed out, it's moot.

Don't be so sure about that. Even if Moss catches the TD, our D still has to stop them on the next drive. Dallas didn't even need a score to win, and they still jammed it down our throats.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Listening to Zorn's presser, he basically called it correctly: the game was determined by the fact that they could get to our QB and we couldn't get to theirs.

He said that several deep plays (including an "easy TD to Thomas") were killed by pressure. He claimed that it's tough or JC if he has no time. But he noted a few plays (like the incomplete 4th down) where JC should have gone to another receiver. All this is pretty obvious, no doubt.

I went into this year thinking we're an 8-8 team that could be a WC if we play well and could be below 6 wins if we play poorly or have killer injuries. Let's get it turned around next week in Seattle. If we win there, it's 7-4 and home for the gints. It's clearly a must win next week--but thank god it's not the national night game!

At this point, we're going to have to dance with the date we came in with--I don't see the possibility of a big change on the o-line. Let's hope they can patch it up: Buges has worked miracles before. Thomas looked better today, IMO. Yes, he had the big 3rd down drop (thought he got held on that play, personally), but he made some plays. Kelley is the guy who needs to step up now, especially if ARE is hurt. It's time, kid. It would certainly be nice to see Davis, but that's less important right now.

Anyone who calls these guys busts is premature. Zorn is clearly not at all comfortable with folks who can't run the precise routes and Buges doesn't want a rookie TE to blow a blocking scheme. Those guys are learning. It's ok to bring them along slowly, IMO.

And those of you who think JC is a bust, I just don't see it. With time, he's shown he can make the plays. Even in this game, his mobility allowed a lot of stuff to happen. He also AUDIBLED to the QB draw--nice. And if Santana fucking Moss could have caught the ball, we might have won the game. That was a 50 yard pass that hit our #1 WR IN THE HANDS! Come on. JC is not the problem. He's not there yet, sure. But he's got the skills and under Zorn he's going to be a good one. Pass pro, everyone running the precise routes, and JC getting completely fluid on his 2nd and 3rd reads, and we'll be fine. Note that without O-line play, as all have correctly pointed out, it's moot.

Great post JWsleep, right on the money.

[johnwayne]

i feel a lot of this is on Campbell also...I'm prolly gonna get smashed but i think hes a lot of the problem along with the o-line...i love this guy and been behind him the whole time... but our offense isn't getting any better and he makes weird decisions with the ball at times...I'm not convinced he's the guy and idk....go ahead and kill me...

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by johnwayne

i feel alot of this is on campbell also...im prolly gonna get smashed but i think hes alot of the problem along with the o-line...i love this guy and been behind him the whole time... but our offense isn't getting any better and he makes weird decisions with the ball at times...im not conviced he's the guy and idk....go ahead and kill me...

He can still improve his reads, no doubt. But often he does not have time to stand in and set. He's been hitting the relief-valve underneath stuff. But I don't think the plays are supposed to go there, when they work. He got hit an awful lot tonight and kept swinging. Sometimes, improvement goes in fits and starts. Remember, this is still Zorn's first year and JCs first year in the system. There are going to be rough patches. Let's see how he looks in Seattle. I'd be very surprised if he plays as bad as in the last two.

[johnwayne]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

He can still improve his reads, no doubt. But often he does not have time to stand in and set. He's been hitting the relief-valve underneath stuff. But I don't think the plays are supposed to go there, when they work. He got hit an awful lot tonight and kept swinging. Sometimes, improvement goes in fits and starts. Remember, this is still Zorn's first year and JCs first year in the system. There are going to be rough patches. Let's see how he looks in Seattle. I'd be very surprised if he plays as bad as in the last two.

your prolly right...it's so hard being a skin's fan for me...i forget that sometimes because they have played good at times...I'm just finally ready for the skins to not get my hopes up so much and actually do what i know they can do...

[GusFrerotte]

Zorn needs to throw out most of those rollout plays and most of those side screen plays. JC could have had 2-3 more pics with those plays, and if our guys do catch those passes they get virtually no gain on the play. I am starting to doubt some the merits of the WCO. Poor line play is involved for sure, but damn our O line used to be pretty good. All of a sudden they suck? The system needs to be tweaked and yes younger O line are sorely needed.