Time to clean house 1.0.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

completely unacceptable

Y would u meet with Bowles and not Fire Manusky after that? I swear to god this organization just does this shit to get laughed at.. It's the only explanation

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Y would u meet with Bowles and not Fire Manusky after that? I swear to god this organization just does this shit to get laughed at.. It's the only explanation

Everyone seems to be forgetting that it takes two to tango.

Bowles probably didn’t want to come here.

So Why would we fire manusky unless we know for a certainty we can find someone better? THAT would be stupid.

Decades of Organizational dysfunction aside, Jay is essentially a lame duck head coach. He either wins this year or he’s fired. Barring a dramatic turnaround, Any defensive coach coming here is very likely only going to be here one year. Why would ANYONE who has better options want to do that? There’s simply no job security. Any good defensive coordinator is going to want to go somewhere with a new head coach, so they can be pretty confident in having at least 2 years of job security.


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[Skinsfanatic]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Everyone seems to be forgetting that it takes two to tango.

Bowles probably didn’t want to come here.

So Why would we fire manusky unless we know for a certainty we can find someone better? THAT would be stupid.

Decades of Organizational dysfunction aside, Jay is essentially a lame duck head coach. He either wins this year or he’s fired. Barring a dramatic turnaround, Any defensive coach coming here is very likely only going to be here one year. Why would ANYONE who has better options want to do that? There’s simply no job security. Any good defensive coordinator is going to want to go somewhere with a new head coach, so they can be pretty confident in having at least 2 years of job security.


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All of this unless you believe, as many do, that Tomsula would be better. You could fire Manusky (if one of the better options doesn't work out the for reasons you describe) and promote Tomsula.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I don’t think Williams is even a possibility.

From Williams perspective, He had essentially been promised the HC job when Gibbs time as HC ended, so he has no reason to trust Snyder.

From Snyder’s perspective, Williams had said some negative things about Gibbs after he left, which pissed Snyder off and was purportedly the reason Williams didn’t get the job.

Perhaps it’s all water under the bridge now, but i have the sense that Snyder is one to hold grudges.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I don’t think Williams is even a possibility.

From Williams perspective, He had essentially been promised the HC job when Gibbs time as HC ended, so he has no reason to trust Snyder.

From Snyder’s perspective, Williams had said some negative things about Gibbs after he left, which pissed Snyder off and was purportedly the reason Williams didn’t get the job.

Perhaps it’s all water under the bridge now, but i have the sense that Snyder is one to hold grudges.

I would bet that G. Williams is looking for a HC gig and will only settle for DC position if that doesn't happen. I doubt that he'd get a HC job.

[MTK]

The whole thing about Williams being promised the HC job after Gibbs was a myth.

As far as bounty gate goes, I wouldn't let that get in the way of hiring one of the best DC's in the game.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

The whole thing about Williams being promised the HC job after Gibbs was a myth.

As far as bounty gate goes, I wouldn't let that get in the way of hiring one of the best DC's in the game.

And I think Gruden has every incentive to try to hire the best guy he can. Same with Bruce.

The issue seems to be that Williams will have a lot of suitors. I think we're more likely to lose out because he can just about pick where he wants to go, not because he wouldn't want to come back here.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

And I think Gruden has every incentive to try to hire the best guy he can. Same with Bruce.

The issue seems to be that Williams will have a lot of suitors. I think we're more likely to lose out because he can just about pick where he wants to go, not because he wouldn't want to come back here.

If I am Gregg I wouldn't come to DC, Why would he? I'd go to a team that is built better on Offense so that the pressure isn't as high to perform on Defense like it will be for us.

[sandtrapjack]

Adam Schefter is reporting a connection between Todd Bowles and Matt Nagy. And now that Vic Fangio is leaving Chicago, Todd Bowles being considered for DC in Chicago.

If true, that is a hell of a defense to inherit. Even without Mack. But with him makes that a very favorable job.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/sta...62425673453569

[Schneed10]

Yeah the reality is that every defensive coordinator candidate knows that Gruden is on thin ice. They see he is under contract for 2019 and 2020, and that's it. Which is basically saying he has one more year before he must either be extended or fired.

And every defensive coordinator candidate knows that Alex Smith may not play again, so this team will be looking at either Colt McCoy, a rookie, or paying out the nose for a veteran which will completely rob his defense of cap space to make improvements.

So if you're a defensive coordinator and you've got options like Bowles does, would you seriously consider the Redskins? Would you if you were Williams?

I'd say thanks but no thanks, not my circus, not my monkeys.

We haven't fired Manusky yet because we know we're not an attractive situation.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah the reality is that every defensive coordinator candidate knows that Gruden is on thin ice. They see he is under contract for 2019 and 2020, and that's it. Which is basically saying he has one more year before he must either be extended or fired.

And every defensive coordinator candidate knows that Alex Smith may not play again, so this team will be looking at either Colt McCoy, a rookie, or paying out the nose for a veteran which will completely rob his defense of cap space to make improvements.

So if you're a defensive coordinator and you've got options like Bowles does, would you seriously consider the Redskins? Would you if you were Williams?

I'd say thanks but no thanks, not my circus, not my monkeys.

We haven't fired Manusky yet because we know we're not an attractive situation.

This is the reality of the situation.... and this is why I feel Manusky will be back.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

This is the reality of the situation.... and this is why I feel Manusky will be back.

I agree. I don't think Gruden wants him back, I don't think Allen wants him back, and I think Snyder has no idea and just wants to get better.

But they'll have to take him back, because there will be no better option.

I would hire Gregg or Todd in a NY minute, but they'll choose someplace else, almost certainly.

[NC_Skins]

Is it bad that I really don't care at this point? It means nothing if Bruce Allen is still here in any capacity. Just moving parts around in a busted ass engine going nowhere. In fact, we have retained a lame duck coach who'll be coaching in a lame duck season next year. Not much to look forward to.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Is it bad that I really don't care at this point? It means nothing if Bruce Allen is still here in any capacity. Just moving parts around in a busted ass engine going nowhere. In fact, we have retained a lame duck coach who'll be coaching in a lame duck season next year. Not much to look forward to.

My feeling exactly.

The handling of the franchise especially at the QB position has sunk this team yet again. I can’t believe people bought into it again.

Because we are such morons at handling the MOST important position on the field we should mitigate it by leveraging the offense scheme towards the running game while continuing to build the defense.

This absolutely does not mean don’t invest in the passing offense, but tear it down by cutting dead weight and unfulfilled potential. bringing in young talent at both QB, TE, and WR....bring in new coaches, a new voice, etc.

But Bruce remains...so

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Is it bad that I really don't care at this point? It means nothing if Bruce Allen is still here in any capacity. Just moving parts around in a busted ass engine going nowhere. In fact, we have retained a lame duck coach who'll be coaching in a lame duck season next year. Not much to look forward to.

This is where I'm at, as long as Allen is here we'll always be losers. Nothing else matters. Just keep all the coaches in perpetuity until Snyder finally fucking gets it and fires him. Which basically means Gruden can coach here until he's 90. Snyder is a fucking moron.