Will Saunders Affect Our QB Situation?

[Longtimefan]

Every team in the league uses the same tactic against good running teams. However, that should not be an excuse for not being able to make plays in the offense. Pittsburgh runs the ball more than any team in the league, they stack the line against them as well but they still run it. They're successful at it because they also make plays in th passing game. JG seeks balance in his offense, and the only way to achieve that the O-line has to be equally adapt at both pass and run blocking, plus you need a QB who is not limited to just certain kind of throws. There are pass plays that Gibbs cannot run in his current offense because our QB lacks the arm strength or accuracy to make the pin-point throws neccessary to make them work. As much as I like Brunell for his leadership and ability to manage the game with limited mistakes, his passes for distance has too much of a hump allowing DB's too much time to react while the pass is in the air.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Offiss, what would have been sufficient for you-that we had won the Super Bowl this year...or that we got as far as we did exactly the same way but with Patrick Ramsey at QB?

I don't think I'm alone in thinking that what really bothers you is that Ramsey wasn't playing and that, contrary to what you believed at the start of the season, Brunell is still capable of being the starting QB of a playoff team.

You may assume that I don't like Brunell because I am a Ramsey backer, which I know that's true with Brunell backers, you know how many were bashing Brunell after last season and were on the Ramsey bandwagon, but as soon as Gibbs makes a switch right, wrong, or indifferent, they immediatly jump ship for Brunell, which is fine, but don't try to convince me he's a good QB at this point in his carreer.

The only reason I back Ramsey is because I beleive he's our best option to win, and if I didn't feel that way I would say we need a QB, not back him just because Gibbs named him the starter.

If Patrick performed as bad as Brunell did at the end of the season after an entire year in this offense I would be saying the same thing, I don't play favortism above performance, I just feel Patrick hasen't been given a real opportunity to prove himself, and Bruenll has and it's not good.

Do you think Brunell is going to get better next season? Or will he continue to decline? We all saw what he did when we needed him most.

If you can use the word capable about Brunell after watching him the last 3 games we played, the 3 biggest games of the year and say CAPABLE, well your a better man than I. But if that's your definition of capable, then no way is capable winning a SB. Now if your going to tell me he's going to be much better next year then I will listen to your explination why.

[Bozzy]

Hey why don't we just bring back the Kilmer-Jurgenson, Theisman-Schroeder debates too! Hell, what about Gus Frerotte-Heath Shuler!

This is stupid.

Cut them both. I'm tired of this debate.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by offiss

You may assume that I don't like Brunell because I am a Ramsey backer, which I know that's true with Brunell backers, you know how many were bashing Brunell after last season and were on the Ramsey bandwagon, but as soon as Gibbs makes a switch right, wrong, or indifferent, they immediatly jump ship for Brunell, which is fine, but don't try to convince me he's a good QB at this point in his carreer.

The only reason I back Ramsey is because I beleive he's our best option to win, and if I didn't feel that way I would say we need a QB, not back him just because Gibbs named him the starter.

If Patrick performed as bad as Brunell did at the end of the season after an entire year in this offense I would be saying the same thing, I don't play favortism above performance, I just feel Patrick hasen't been given a real opportunity to prove himself, and Bruenll has and it's not good.

Do you think Brunell is going to get better next season? Or will he continue to decline? We all saw what he did when we needed him most.

If you can use the word capable about Brunell after watching him the last 3 games we played, the 3 biggest games of the year and say CAPABLE, well your a better man than I. But if that's your definition of capable, then no way is capable winning a SB. Now if your going to tell me he's going to be much better next year then I will listen to your explination why.

Offiss,

How could anyone say with reason Brunell will be better next year. No one, including me, thought he would be as good as he was this year. That's a foolish prediction because so many variables, out of his control, come into play.

If Brunell isn't that good of a quarterback, then I don't know how you define good. And for you to say Patrick would have done better, to get let's say 11 or 12 wins is total conjecture on your part.

[SmootSmack]

I think we differ on what "real opportunity" is. I think practices, minicamp, training camp, and preseason games this past year do give Ramsey the opportunity to improve and the coaching staff the chance to evaluate his progress.

But the issue here isn't what will Brunell do in 2006. It's why can't you respect what he did in 2005? His overall body of work, as Matty has said.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I think we differ on what "real opportunity" is. I think practices, minicamp, training camp, and preseason games this past year do give Ramsey the opportunity to improve and the coaching staff the chance to evaluate his progress.

But the issue here isn't what will Brunell do in 2006. It's why can't you respect what he did in 2005? His overall body of work, as Matty has said.

But what about 2004!!

j/k

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

But what about 2004!!

j/k

LOL...bastard

[offiss]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Well, that's interesting.

Let me jump off track here just a little, Offiss. I, like yourself, am not really a stat guy. But you mentioned earlier that ultimatley we should measure Brunells worth in terms of wins/losses. Tom Brady and Brunell had the same exact records this year. Now if I were to take your statement literally, I would have to believe that you think Tom B. and Mark B. are equals.

Am I correct in assuming that or am I reaching a little too much here?

Kind of a stupid question but I will indulge,

Who were the wins and loses against, and how were those games won? Yes most of the Pat's wins are directly attributed to Brady's play and his ability to move an offense as well as control the ball and keep it away from opposing teams, especially this past season, the Pat's until late didn't have their standard shutdown defense going for them, with all the injuries that team had it was a major accomplishment to keep them afloat and finish where they did, and for the record they didn't need to win their last game and took it easy, that is the only reason they finished tied with us, if Brunell was Brady like, maybe we could have rested before the playoffs as well.

Our defense was better than the Pat's D this year.

We might take a look at what Brady did with Patton, compared to what Brunell was doing before he was hurt.

I don't know, mentioning Brady in the same breath with Brunell seems kind of ridiculous don't you think?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

I don't know, mentioning Brady in the same breath with Brunell seems kind of ridiculous don't you think?

Not quite as ridiculous as mentioning Ramsey and Aikman in the same breath.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Offiss,

How could anyone say with reason Brunell will be better next year. No one, including me, thought he would be as good as he was this year. That's a foolish prediction because so many variables, out of his control, come into play.

If Brunell isn't that good of a quarterback, then I don't know how you define good. And for you to say Patrick would have done better, to get let's say 11 or 12 wins is total conjecture on your part.

Really? What gave it away, his lack of playing time?

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by offiss

I don't know, mentioning Brady in the same breath with Brunell seems kind of ridiculous don't you think?

That can't be as bad as mentioning Ramsey and Aikman in the same breath.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

That can't be as bad as mentioning Ramsey and Aikman in the same breath.

Beat you to the punch

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Not quite as ridiculous as mentioning Ramsey and Aikman in the same breath.

I didn't compare them as QB's, just their circumstances before hand. SMART ASS!

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by offiss

Kind of a stupid question but I will indulge,

Who were the wins and loses against, and how were those games won? Yes most of the Pat's wins are directly attributed to Brady's play and his ability to move an offense as well as control the ball and keep it away from opposing teams, especially this past season, the Pat's until late didn't have their standard shutdown defense going for them, with all the injuries that team had it was a major accomplishment to keep them afloat and finish where they did, and for the record they didn't need to win their last game and took it easy, that is the only reason they finished tied with us, if Brunell was Brady like, maybe we could have rested before the playoffs as well.

Our defense was better than the Pat's D this year.

We might take a look at what Brady did with Patton, compared to what Brunell was doing before he was hurt.

I don't know, mentioning Brady in the same breath with Brunell seems kind of ridiculous don't you think?

Exactly my point, it is ridiculous. For the record, I think Brady's a better QB.

I do, however, find it interesting and funny how you make allowances for Brady and the Pats, but you make none for Brunell.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by offiss

I didn't compare them as QB's, just their circumstances before hand. SMART ASS!

Troy Aikman was the first overall pick, so their circumstance are much different. Ramsey was considered the 3rd best QB coming out of college.