How Will Campbell Be Handled?

12thMan · 03-29-2006, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

I'm setting the line at 17 more posts before this thread gets locked if the infamous "statistics" argument gets opened up again. Who's got the over, who's got the under?

Naw....I think you're right on PSU.

I saw it coming....

Schneed10 · 03-29-2006, 12:51 PM

I think it's quite obvious that the lack of receiving threats opposite Moss severely limited the Skins' passing attack coming down the stretch. That along with Brunell's sore knee over the last few games.

He's no Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, or even a Drew Brees for that matter. But when healthy he can manage the Skins to the playoffs, given his new weapons.

Trying to platoon at QB in the NFL is just plain nuts. The passing game is so much about timing. QBs and receivers need to be used to each other, from the timing of cuts to the speed of the passes to the progression of reads that QBs tend to make. Trying to platoon at QB, even in garbage time only, will not help Campbell one iota. The receivers would have to adjust to him in mid-game after being used to the way Brunell does things. Campbell and the receivers would struggle to get on the same page. You don't do that, it makes no sense. You let them compete in the preseason, then you give 80-90% of the practice reps to the guy you declare your starter. You need to develop that rhythm and comfort level.

Huddle · 03-29-2006, 12:56 PM

Hey, Matty, I edited Post 98 in support of my comment.

Huddle · 03-29-2006, 01:08 PM

Schneed10

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I think it's quite obvious that the lack of receiving threats opposite Moss severely limited the Skins' passing attack coming down the stretch. That along with Brunell's sore knee over the last few games.

In 2004 it was the hammy. In 2005, it was the knee and calf. Are we hoping that 36 is a lucky number and Mark goes through the season and playoffs healhy?

Yes. It was obvious that only Moss and Cooley had good production numbers. The reasons might be debated.

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Trying to platoon at QB in the NFL is just plain nuts. The passing game is so much about timing. QBs and receivers need to be used to each other, from the timing of cuts to the speed of the passes to the progression of reads that QBs tend to make. Trying to platoon at QB, even in garbage time only, will not help Campbell one iota. The receivers would have to adjust to him in mid-game after being used to the way Brunell does things. Campbell and the receivers would struggle to get on the same page. You don't do that, it makes no sense. You let them compete in the preseason, then you give 80-90% of the practice reps to the guy you declare your starter. You need to develop that rhythm and comfort level.

Despite the disadvantages you mention, which I'll grant, we have to weigh benefits. Campbell will be better prepared if he is brought along gradually.

Schneed10 · 03-29-2006, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Huddle

In 2004 it was the hammy. In 2005, it was the knee and calf. Are we hoping that 36 is a lucky number and Mark goes through the season and playoffs healhy?

I agree with you here. An injured Brunell is no good. If he's banged up, we're better off letting him rest all week, letting the backup (whether that be Collins or Campbell) take all the practice reps for the week and start. But if Brunell is healthy he's quite effective.

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Originally Posted by Huddle

Yes. It was obvious that only Moss and Cooley had good production numbers. The reasons might be debated.

In my opinion the reasons are clear. Thrash and Jacobs suck, plain and simple. Neither have great straight line top-speed, and neither are particularly agile coming in and out of cuts. Thrash was fast once upon a time but his speed has faded. Without either speed or sudden quickness, it makes it nearly impossible to get open.

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Originally Posted by Huddle

Despite the disadvantages you mention, which I'll grant, we have to weigh benefits. Campbell will be better prepared if he is brought along gradually.

My whole point is there will be very limited benefit. The receivers will be used to Brunell, and when Campbell comes into the game the receivers can't just flip a switch and adjust to Campbell. Campbell will only get frustrated by the poor timing and he won't have a chance to develop any cohesion with the receivers. The only benefit Campbell could gain from this is learning the Saunders offense by doing; and if you want Campbell to really learn the Saunders offense he's going to need to take lots of practice snaps.

And since we're weighing costs and benefits, what is the cost of giving practice snaps to Campbell? It costs Brunell valuable practice reps with an offensive coordinator he's never worked with before.

The end result would be one young QB who isn't fully prepared to handle the new offense, and another old QB who isn't fully prepared to handle the new offense. The ultimate cost of that is a lot of losses. It's just a horrible idea all around, and no NFL coach would consider it.

Huddle · 03-29-2006, 01:51 PM

Schneed

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I agree with you here. An injured Brunell is no good.

You agree with me? Now I'll have to go back and check to see where I've gone wrong. [kidding]

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In my opinion the reasons are clear. Thrash and Jacobs suck, plain and simple. Neither have great straight line top-speed, and neither are particularly agile coming in and out of cuts.

You mean Thrash, Jacobs, and Patten... none of the three were able to get open for Mark. Well, I saw another possible answer: Mark was hustling out of the pocket to roll left after one or two reads.

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And since we're weighing costs and benefits, what is the cost of giving practice snaps to Campbell? It costs Brunell valuable practice reps with an offensive coordinator he's never worked with before.

There's going to be plenty of time for both QBs in training camp. Campbell's practice snaps would increase as his playing time increased. At the end of last season, Brunell wasn't practicing until Thursday or Friday because of injuries.

I understand your objection. I just don't think it would be as much of a problem as you do.

Schneed10 · 03-29-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Huddle

You mean Thrash, Jacobs, and Patten... none of the three were able to get open for Mark. Well, I saw another possible answer: Mark was hustling out of the pocket to roll left after one or two reads.

Patten didn't catch much, but he attracted a lot of defensive attention which gave Moss more open space. Patten's speed represented a threat to the defense. Moss's production declined when Patten went down because defenses rolled coverage over to Moss. Those defenses weren't afraid of Taylor Jacobs or James Thrash because they didn't respect their abilities to get open, so they often left them in one-on-one coverage and focused on Moss instead.

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Originally Posted by Huddle

There's going to be plenty of time for both QBs in training camp. Campbell's practice snaps would increase as his playing time increased. At the end of last season, Brunell wasn't practicing until Thursday or Friday because of injuries.

I understand your objection. I just don't think it would be as much of a problem as you do.

Time in training camp is one thing, time during a game week to game-plan for an opponent is an entirely different animal. Saunders never likes to run the same play twice, and without adequate game-plan preparation, both of our QBs would be lost.

And I think if it actually wasn't going to inhibit learning as you suggest, then you'd actually see NFL coaches bring QBs along this way. But I never see that happen. It's just not a smart way of doing things.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-29-2006, 01:24 PM

I agree with everything about Thrash sucking. No one really ever gives him his due except on special teams. As a receiver he really did catch whatever came his way and normally was good for a first down when the ball actually was thrown to him.

MTK · 03-29-2006, 02:29 PM

How funny is THIS?

SmootSmack · 03-29-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How funny is THIS?

I was waiting for someone to post this. LOL

12thMan · 03-29-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How funny is THIS?

I wondering if Gibbs plans on platooning him into the #2 spot instead??

gibbsisgod · 03-29-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How funny is THIS?

Again matty, thats irrelevant:cheeky-sm

PSUSkinsFan21 · 03-29-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How funny is THIS?

I'm dying here. LOL!

I guess this begs the question: Should we be platooning Todd Collins in with Brunell? LOL

backrow · 03-29-2006, 02:39 PM

Can we officially "Lock" this thread for those who think Campbell is ready to Start?

MTK · 03-29-2006, 02:39 PM

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I'm dying here. LOL!

I guess this begs the question: Should we be platooning Todd Collins in with Brunell? LOL

Hey why not right?

That's pretty creative, a 3 headed monster at QB!

Hell, let's platoon Randle El in there too.

Screw it, just put all 4 guys in the lineup at the same time, nobody will know what the hell is going on.

Brunell takes the snap in the shotgun, fakes the draw to Campbell, he turns and fakes a pitch to Collins, then he tosses a WR screen to Randle El who then throws it deep to Moss, TD!!

03-29-2006, 12:56 PM	#3
Huddle Special Teams Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 352	Re: How Will Cambell Be Handled? Hey, Matty, I edited Post 98 in support of my comment.

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TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: How Will Cambell Be Handled? I agree with everything about Thrash sucking. No one really ever gives him his due except on special teams. As a receiver he really did catch whatever came his way and normally was good for a first down when the ball actually was thrown to him. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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03-29-2006, 12:51 PM	#2
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: How Will Cambell Be Handled? I think it's quite obvious that the lack of receiving threats opposite Moss severely limited the Skins' passing attack coming down the stretch. That along with Brunell's sore knee over the last few games. He's no Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, or even a Drew Brees for that matter. But when healthy he can manage the Skins to the playoffs, given his new weapons. Trying to platoon at QB in the NFL is just plain nuts. The passing game is so much about timing. QBs and receivers need to be used to each other, from the timing of cuts to the speed of the passes to the progression of reads that QBs tend to make. Trying to platoon at QB, even in garbage time only, will not help Campbell one iota. The receivers would have to adjust to him in mid-game after being used to the way Brunell does things. Campbell and the receivers would struggle to get on the same page. You don't do that, it makes no sense. You let them compete in the preseason, then you give 80-90% of the practice reps to the guy you declare your starter. You need to develop that rhythm and comfort level. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

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