The Zidane Incident

SmootSmack · 07-11-2006, 02:48 PM

In 1998, didn't Zidane pull a Marcus Vick and stomp on some Saudi Arabian player while he was lying on the ground? Was he provoked then also?

ArtMonkDrillz · 07-11-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

In 1998, didn't Zidane pull a Marcus Vick and stomp on some Saudi Arabian player while he was lying on the ground? Was he provoked then also?

Yes he did, but I don't know if it was provoked.

TheInspector · 07-11-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

In 1998, didn't Zidane pull a Marcus Vick and stomp on some Saudi Arabian player while he was lying on the ground? Was he provoked then also?

I faintly remember hearing something about that, but in the US those soccer stories are mostly ignored. However, I am not surprised...Zidane is a mean SOB. I don't know if it was provoked, but if the guy is laying on the ground already it doesn't really matter, right?

saden1 · 07-12-2006, 02:46 AM

The Italian player, who happens to make millions of dollars, in a press conference admitted he insulted Zidane. He also said:

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I'm not cultured and I don't even know what an Islamic terrorist is."

Now come on, you don't have to be genius to know that he is trying to cover his ass by playing dumb. There are certain things you should never utter unless you're looking for a fight. All I know is I'm looking forward to hearing what Zidane has to say about the whole thing.

p.s. The Italian is lucky he didn't headbutt him in the face.

BDBohnzie · 07-12-2006, 10:10 AM

hooskins - great post. couldn't do it any better.

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-12-2006, 10:36 AM

I'd agree with that. The bad part is, unless a person was raised playing or being near a certain sport, they can't appreciate the nuances that are involved in that sport. I was raised playing football, baseball and basketball. All sports I love to play, and I still am only truly entertained by football. If I wasn't raised playing baseball, then I REALLY would dislike it. It's just the nature of some games to be especially slow. I would think that most people's argument against low-scoring soccer games would be the fact that you watch something for ninety minutes and [especially] when the ball remains at midfield, you know that no one is going to score. That's my gripe against it, but I'm also not going to tell anyone they are wrong for enjoying it.

I'm ONLY going to tell people they are wrong for watching golf.

JWsleep · 07-12-2006, 10:44 AM

Great posts, Hooskins. Don't really know why people get so angry about soccer. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Whatever. Arguing about which version of putting a ball into a goal, across a line, etc. is better is pretty silly.

Zidane apparently will go on French TV soon to give his version of events. My feeling is no matter what was said, the right move would have been scoring a goal to win the game. You can always headbutt the guy after the match during the soccer riot.

He won the golden ball award for his play against Brazil especially. Man, he controlled that game from start to finish. Plus, the voting was done at HALFTIME of the final, before the butting. There's some thought that they may take it back, but I doubt that.

BDBohnzie · 07-12-2006, 11:25 AM

Zidane's best play of the World Cup wasn't any of his three goals (2 of which were on PKs), but the beautiful cross he hit to Thierry Henry to beat Brazil 1-0.

There is an arrogance from Americans when it comes to soccer. Not sure why, but the casual fan will never embrace it the way they embrace other sports. I'm a fan of sports in general, so watching soccer is just another reason to sit for a few hours and watch a highly competitive match.

Schneed, your point is taken, but I do think that a big part of why Americans do not like soccer is because of the low scoring. In order to get fans back, it was rumored that baseball "juiced" the balls so that they would fly further, increasing Home Runs and scoring. The NFL have all but outlawed any contact downfield between receivers and corners. The NHL, to bring back fans, have increased scoring chances with smaller creases, smaller goalie pads, and other rule changes. The NBA has become very lax about travelling and other things that slow the game down. These things would haven't happened if Americans didn't care one way or another about low scoring. It's a shame that soccer gets a bad rap because of low scoring...I don't expect it to compete with the big boys, but that's no reason to totally write it off.

But what's funny is, take any rivalry in the US (Yanks/BoSox, Skins/Cowboys, etc), and it will nowhere near match the intensity of the rivalries in Europe.

724Skinsfan · 07-12-2006, 11:34 AM

BDBohnzie, I somewhat disagree with the baseball juicing to get fans more interested. It wasn't the homeruns themselves that got people excited again, it was McGuire and Sosa competing against one another for the homerun record. No one even remembers who was third or fourth in the league that year, they only remember the competition between two guys.

Sports media coverage is the top influence for attracting national interest in any sport.

Monkeydad · 07-12-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

There is an arrogance from Americans when it comes to soccer. Not sure why, but the casual fan will never embrace it the way they embrace other sports. I'm a fan of sports in general, so watching soccer is just another reason to sit for a few hours and watch a highly competitive match.

As I've stated, I don't think the arrogance is from Americans. We cheered for curling in the Olympics last winter to root for our own! We'll accept any sport that is entertaining, from speed skating to boxing. That's soccer's problem...it's NOT entertaining.

All of the arrogance is from the people trying to make soccer popular in the USA and have been failing for decades. They're getting frustrated and are now trying to tell us we're less civilized because we don't "understand" the game. I've heard these people say the players are "beautiful like a ballet". Yeah....that sold me.

TheMalcolmConnection · 07-12-2006, 11:30 AM

I don't think anyone disagrees about those rivalries. We know the deal in the rest of the world.

Also, with 1,000 coming up, you might want to give a shout out to BSB.

BDBohnzie · 07-12-2006, 11:43 AM

well, during that year, you can attribute 2 things to those guys having such a race...juiced baseballs and juiced bodies.

but you make a good point about the media, and their influence on not just sports but life in general. the media outlets (for the most part) basically decide what you should see and when. what's sad is without the World Cup, there would be more poker and dominos on ESPN and ESPN2 than soccer...

TheInspector · 07-12-2006, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

what's sad is without the World Cup, there would be more poker and dominos on ESPN and ESPN2 than soccer...

No shit...what's up with dominoes?...on TV?!?

Schneed10 · 07-12-2006, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

well, during that year, you can attribute 2 things to those guys having such a race...juiced baseballs and juiced bodies.

but you make a good point about the media, and their influence on not just sports but life in general. the media outlets (for the most part) basically decide what you should see and when. what's sad is without the World Cup, there would be more poker and dominos on ESPN and ESPN2 than soccer...

Yeah but dude, how do media outlets decide what to put on TV? The ones that bring the most revenue. Which ones bring the most revenue? The ones that advertisers are willing to pay the most for a 30 second ad slot. Which sports are they willing to pay the most for a 30 second ad slot? The sport more people want to watch.

The sports shown on TV and covered in the papers are the ones that fans are most interested in. Fan interest drives what's covered in the media, it's not the media that decides it for us.

When it comes down to it, more Americans want to watch football and baseball than do soccer or hockey. Why? Don't know for sure, but it's not because the media covers football and baseball. That puts the cart before the horse.

It all comes back to the almighty dollar.

724Skinsfan · 07-12-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah but dude, how do media outlets decide what to put on TV? The ones that bring the most revenue. Which ones bring the most revenue? The ones that advertisers are willing to pay the most for a 30 second ad slot. Which sports are they willing to pay the most for a 30 second ad slot? The sport more people want to watch.

The sports shown on TV and covered in the papers are the ones that fans are most interested in. Fan interest drives what's covered in the media, it's not the media that decides it for us.

When it comes down to it, more Americans want to watch football and baseball than do soccer or hockey. Why? Don't know for sure, but it's not because the media covers football and baseball. That puts the cart before the horse.

It all comes back to the almighty dollar.

Schneed, you've got a point there but there also a way to increase revenues by introducing new features and programming to the viewing public. Done in the right way the media can continue attracting a larger audience which of course brings in more advertising and more money. ESPN isn't just reactionary sports programming, they do a good job of introducing and promoting a lot of new sports entertainment programming.

07-11-2006, 02:48 PM	#1
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: The Zidane Incident In 1998, didn't Zidane pull a Marcus Vick and stomp on some Saudi Arabian player while he was lying on the ground? Was he provoked then also? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

07-12-2006, 10:10 AM	#5
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 47 Posts: 4,628	Re: The Zidane Incident hooskins - great post. couldn't do it any better. __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

07-12-2006, 10:36 AM	#6
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: The Zidane Incident I'd agree with that. The bad part is, unless a person was raised playing or being near a certain sport, they can't appreciate the nuances that are involved in that sport. I was raised playing football, baseball and basketball. All sports I love to play, and I still am only truly entertained by football. If I wasn't raised playing baseball, then I REALLY would dislike it. It's just the nature of some games to be especially slow. I would think that most people's argument against low-scoring soccer games would be the fact that you watch something for ninety minutes and [especially] when the ball remains at midfield, you know that no one is going to score. That's my gripe against it, but I'm also not going to tell anyone they are wrong for enjoying it. I'm ONLY going to tell people they are wrong for watching golf. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

07-12-2006, 10:44 AM	#7
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 57 Posts: 4,719	Re: The Zidane Incident Great posts, Hooskins. Don't really know why people get so angry about soccer. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Whatever. Arguing about which version of putting a ball into a goal, across a line, etc. is better is pretty silly. Zidane apparently will go on French TV soon to give his version of events. My feeling is no matter what was said, the right move would have been scoring a goal to win the game. You can always headbutt the guy after the match during the soccer riot. He won the golden ball award for his play against Brazil especially. Man, he controlled that game from start to finish. Plus, the voting was done at HALFTIME of the final, before the butting. There's some thought that they may take it back, but I doubt that. __________________ Hail from Houston!

07-12-2006, 11:25 AM	#8
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 47 Posts: 4,628	Re: The Zidane Incident Zidane's best play of the World Cup wasn't any of his three goals (2 of which were on PKs), but the beautiful cross he hit to Thierry Henry to beat Brazil 1-0. There is an arrogance from Americans when it comes to soccer. Not sure why, but the casual fan will never embrace it the way they embrace other sports. I'm a fan of sports in general, so watching soccer is just another reason to sit for a few hours and watch a highly competitive match. Schneed, your point is taken, but I do think that a big part of why Americans do not like soccer is because of the low scoring. In order to get fans back, it was rumored that baseball "juiced" the balls so that they would fly further, increasing Home Runs and scoring. The NFL have all but outlawed any contact downfield between receivers and corners. The NHL, to bring back fans, have increased scoring chances with smaller creases, smaller goalie pads, and other rule changes. The NBA has become very lax about travelling and other things that slow the game down. These things would haven't happened if Americans didn't care one way or another about low scoring. It's a shame that soccer gets a bad rap because of low scoring...I don't expect it to compete with the big boys, but that's no reason to totally write it off. But what's funny is, take any rivalry in the US (Yanks/BoSox, Skins/Cowboys, etc), and it will nowhere near match the intensity of the rivalries in Europe. __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

07-12-2006, 11:34 AM	#9
724Skinsfan Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Roanoke, VA Posts: 3,508	Re: The Zidane Incident BDBohnzie, I somewhat disagree with the baseball juicing to get fans more interested. It wasn't the homeruns themselves that got people excited again, it was McGuire and Sosa competing against one another for the homerun record. No one even remembers who was third or fourth in the league that year, they only remember the competition between two guys. Sports media coverage is the top influence for attracting national interest in any sport. __________________ "I hope I'm getting better. I hope you haven't seen my best." - Jim Zorn

07-12-2006, 11:30 AM	#11
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: The Zidane Incident I don't think anyone disagrees about those rivalries. We know the deal in the rest of the world. Also, with 1,000 coming up, you might want to give a shout out to BSB. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

07-12-2006, 11:43 AM	#12
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 47 Posts: 4,628	Re: The Zidane Incident well, during that year, you can attribute 2 things to those guys having such a race...juiced baseballs and juiced bodies. but you make a good point about the media, and their influence on not just sports but life in general. the media outlets (for the most part) basically decide what you should see and when. what's sad is without the World Cup, there would be more poker and dominos on ESPN and ESPN2 than soccer... __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

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